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I'm lazy enough to access betfair.com from CH trough a proxy. But, I'm sure they have some covid19 related bets.

I'd be more worried about coiffeurs. In the following days they'll have a lot of clients. I can wait for another month, or two.
My thinking is the time to see a hairdresser is now on the assumption that everyone has been at home and before hairdressers have had loads of clients in front of them. I would be interested to know your thinking ... wait and see what happens with spread?

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Not certain it's Covid. But if you read a bit deeper looking likely.

Now what was that about it not being important coz it doesn't affect young people?
Sounds related to me, else it be very coincidental. Other countries also report more than just respiratory problems and research has shown already that the disease does at least a double attack. 1 to our air system and 1 to our blood system.

And who ever thought children will not be effected must have shouted without proper knowledge, from the start there have been some children even on IC (like the baby in Germany), not to mention things like Covid Feet that manifest mostly in young children and I know of at least one healthy adult in his 30's whom had to have a leg amputated due to Corona.
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Old 27.04.2020, 12:36
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My thinking is the time to see a hairdresser is now on the assumption that everyone has been at home and before hairdressers have had loads of clients in front of them. I would be interested to know your thinking ... wait and see what happens with spread?
Indeed almost everyone has been at home. Almost....last week I went down to check my mailbox and found a hairdresser at the building door. He was about to push the doorbell. He entered after I opened the door and said something like "I have an appointment with Mme. X" and rushed to the elevator. You'd be wondering how I knew he was a hairdresser on the job He had a polo shirt embroidered with the logo, phone and address of his hair salon and was pulling a rather large makeup trolley.

I also saw more than one perfectly trimmed guys on COOP last Saturday. Unless everyone has a hairdresser as flatmate, it seems they worked a lot at client's homes.
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Indeed almost everyone has been at home. Almost....last week I went down to check my mailbox and found a hairdresser at the building door. He was about to push the doorbell. He entered after I opened the door and said something like "I have an appointment with Mme. X" and rushed to the elevator. You'd be wondering how I knew he was a hairdresser on the job He had a polo shirt embroidered with the logo, phone and address of his hair salon and was pulling a rather large makeup trolley.

I also saw more than one perfectly trimmed guys on COOP last Saturday. Unless everyone has a hairdresser as flatmate, it seems they worked a lot at client's homes.
I didn't think about that. I have an appointment tomorrow which I feel a bit anxious about ... will give it some more thought. Thanks.
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I didn't think about that. I have an appointment tomorrow which I feel a bit anxious about ... will give it some more thought. Thanks.
If you feel anxious about it, then... why do it to yourself? You could just allow yourself the time to re-think it, and postpone for a week or two. By then, there'll be some data on the new infections and deaths, and that'll be a sturdier basis on which to decide when to re-start consuming non-essential services.
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Old 27.04.2020, 13:06
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I didn't think about that. I have an appointment tomorrow which I feel a bit anxious about ... will give it some more thought. Thanks.
You'll be fine. It's time to live a normal life again.
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Old 27.04.2020, 13:30
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Another sad consequence of the lockdown

UK lockdown: Calls to domestic abuse helpline jump by half

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52433520
Not surprising. My best friend is a criminal prosecutor and reports the same. She also reports that she had to let some suspects go (crimes across the board, not just domestic abuse) as they either couldn't be sent to pre-trial custody and/or there were too many people present in any given preliminary hearing. True story.
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Old 27.04.2020, 14:03
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a bit off topic, but it is interesting to go back read the beginning of this conversation dating back in January.

So many people calling this fake news
That was an interesting exercise. Here are a few that caught my eye.

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Normal flu kills 60,000 a year. Keep some perspective guys.
Perspective is that we're now 4 months in with just under 208,000 officially dead, and many more infected or deceased that haven't been or weren't counted.

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Also it is a bit silly to compare Corona with an average flu season. Yes the flu kills much more people on a yearly base than the Coronavirus has done so far. But just ask yourself how the comparison would be if we would treat Corona equally to the average flu and do nothing as for containment and just let it run worldwide and infect whomever it can infect. Also no preventive shot is possible and all one can do is treat the symptoms.

It would make the flu look like an incapable sissy.
We've seen varying levels of lockdown with varying success, but I think it's clear some kind of distancing was needed or it was going to be much, much worse.

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Japan has shrunk by 6.3% in Q4. If nothing else I believe this Coronavirus will have enormous worldwide economic consequences.
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Old 27.04.2020, 14:13
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Perspective is that we're now 4 months in with just under 208,000 officially dead, and many more infected or deceased that haven't been or weren't counted.
To keep even more perspective : up to 60k are just US. Data from this season (Oct-April) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

(please pay attention to the # of infections and hospitalizations here too, not just # of deaths).


Globally, WHO below:
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...-flu-each-year
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Old 27.04.2020, 14:18
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My thinking is the time to see a hairdresser is now on the assumption that everyone has been at home and before hairdressers have had loads of clients in front of them. I would be interested to know your thinking ... wait and see what happens with spread?
My usual hairdresser thinks it is too soon to reopen and is not yet proposing a date.

Meanwhile not much evidence of a rush back to work today. Not a single vehicle in our station car park. Regardless of what Governments publish, people are smart enough to look after themselves.
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Old 27.04.2020, 14:23
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Everybody is afraid to go to back to work but to go shopping, hairdresser, nails etc is no problem



"We have never had such a wave of customers"
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Old 27.04.2020, 14:25
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I didn't think about that. I have an appointment tomorrow which I feel a bit anxious about ... will give it some more thought. Thanks.
I'm going to come down in the middle on this. Now is probably the safest time to have your apointment when all the rules are firmly in place and being adhered to by the hairdresser. You've also got to watch your own responses regarding over thinking things.

On Saturday, I asked my OH if he fancied nipping to the shops on his own for a couple of items we were missing. It was the first time I've seen him reluctant and concerned about going out, and it surprised me. I told him it would be good for him to see that everything is normal just with a few extra precautions, but no. I really want to go to the hardware store but am leaving it until later in the week when the initial rush (if there is one) has waned.
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Old 27.04.2020, 14:29
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To keep even more perspective : up to 60k are just US. Data from this season (Oct-April) https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

(please pay attention to the # of infections and hospitalizations here too, not just # of deaths).


Globally, WHO below:
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...-flu-each-year
Your link states the US flu season ended on April 4th.
According to Worldometers site, US coronavirus deaths since April 4th are over 40,000 and rising; certainly does give perspective.
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Your link states the US flu season ended on April 4th.
According to Worldometers site, US coronavirus deaths since April 4th are over 40,000 and rising; certainly does give perspective.
Yes it does, but we won't be reaching the same conclusion. However, I will no longer have this discussion with you, as I said 10 days ago or whatever, we'll never see eye to eye.
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Old 27.04.2020, 15:34
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Everybody is afraid to go to back to work but to go shopping, hairdresser, nails etc is no problem



"We have never had such a wave of customers"
Have you seen the lines outside of DIY/garden centers?

Honestly, I think we could have left them open, just with strict limits on numbers of people and social distancing measures. It's not like people go hang out and have a beer at OBI.

Gardening is therapeutic for many, and may have helped reduce the numbers of depressions, etc. Plus what did people do who had a toilet or an appliance break during this time? Were they forced to pay for home delivery and setup or just live without? We had a light bulb go out that they don't stock at Coop, so it's stayed dead, but it's not life-altering so it can wait until some of the madness passes.
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A friend from the USA had his cooking range break down- only 2 years old. They are in financial difficulty at the moment due to Covid19 and his business- but he preferred to buy a new range than have someone come and repair it- as he would not let anyone into his house. Perhaps some people take this threat too far? Surely he could watch them from the other side of the room at safe distance, watch what they touch, etc, and disinfect all after they have gone- including the floor?
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A friend from the USA had his cooking range break down- only 2 years old. They are in financial difficulty at the moment due to Covid19 and his business- but he preferred to buy a new range than have someone come and repair it- as he would not let anyone into his house. Perhaps some people take this threat too far? Surely he could watch them from the other side of the room at safe distance, watch what they touch, etc, and disinfect all after they have gone- including the floor?
Well quite. There's taking sensible, logical precautions, and then there's hysteria. Personally, even if I was in the latter camp, id be firing up the microwave for a bit until things die down a bit more.
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I'm going to come down in the middle on this. Now is probably the safest time to have your apointment when all the rules are firmly in place and being adhered to by the hairdresser. You've also got to watch your own responses regarding over thinking things.

On Saturday, I asked my OH if he fancied nipping to the shops on his own for a couple of items we were missing. It was the first time I've seen him reluctant and concerned about going out, and it surprised me. I told him it would be good for him to see that everything is normal just with a few extra precautions, but no. I really want to go to the hardware store but am leaving it until later in the week when the initial rush (if there is one) has waned.
Thanks for your response. It's interesting to hear how your husband felt about going out. I think it's going to take a great deal of time before people start to feel confident again. Whoever would have thought going to a hairdresser or a hardware store would feel like life and death decisions?
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