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Conflicting reports regarding Gilead's anti-viral, remdesivir. The company recently completed blind trials through the NIH (National Institute of Health) with positive results which were announced today while the Lancet just released a paper on remdesivir based on a study in Wuhan, China saying there was no material benefit to those who received the drug based on their study. Hmmm...

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Old 29.04.2020, 18:47
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Did you all read what he admitted to. He pisses and washes his bike in the Limmat!
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Old 29.04.2020, 19:01
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ETH calculate the price of this will be somewhere in the range 5,000 - 20,000 additional deaths by mid September.

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...-welle/?nosome
That's not a calculation. Its a guess.

What exactly is the alternative to the present course of action.
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Old 29.04.2020, 19:03
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I'm quite risk averse with dangerous materials - I've seen numerous people being exposed to organic chemicals getting leukaemia despite wearing pph.
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That’s quite an interesting statement. How many is numerous? Over what time period?
You might have missed this amongst all the noise. I’m very interested to know more having worked in labs with dangerous chemicals myself.

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At the same time?
Could happen, but I don't piss over the bike if that is what you were wondering about.
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Old 29.04.2020, 19:15
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Did you all read what he admitted to. He pisses and washes his bike in the Limmat!
No I don't.

I piss and wash my bike in the Sihl which joins the limmat shortly before your beloved little island
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Old 29.04.2020, 19:23
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That's not a calculation. Its a guess.

What exactly is the alternative to the present course of action.
No it's a calculation based on known inputs ftom wave 1.

The alternative is clearly the original plan with a review of the impact at each stage.
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What exactly is the alternative to the present course of action.
The alternative is to get back to living!
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You might have missed this amongst all the noise. I’m very interested to know more having worked in lans with dangerous chemicals myself.
Sorry. I did miss it. My personal experience is pretty anecdotal to be honest.

My grandfather who worked with some pretty nasty organic agricultural chemicals since the 1950s died of leukemia in his early 70s. Not young but he was fit and healthy man, and probably would have lasted another 20 years.

My senior school chemistry teacher who was a PhD then postdoc in an organic chemistry group died of leukemia. Around 50 I think.

My university organic tutor developed leukemia twice but survived both times. He's was probably in his 40s when the disease struck.

A colleague in my year at university has also had it in the last couple of years (im in my early 30s).

Like I say anecdotal - but the fact that all 4 people I know to have developed leukemia all had significant exposure to organic solvents made me question the link.

There's plenty of studies out there showing the risk is real. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10870947 for example. Fume cupboards and masks can only do so much.

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I remember wandering down Bahnhofstrasse Zürich last year and watching all these people with this glazed " consume " look in their eyes. They were like hypnotized. Well the virus seems to have broken the spell. Welcome to the real world!
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The alternative is to get back to living!
If we go back to what we were doing before, we will get another exponential rise.

Granted a little less steep, due to herd effect (who knows how big that is - possibly quite small), and possibly also as a result of warmer weather, but it will kill thousands of people and force us back into another damaging and unnecessary lockdown nevertheless.

The only way is to try and save both health and the economy if thats at all possible. It should be as the Koreans seem to be managing it.

So far we've oscillated between too little and too much action. It's time to get it right - an open society but one based on individual responsibility. I'm WFH for the foreseeable for one. I think the Swiss government are getting it sorted though.
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If we go back to what we were doing before, we will get another exponential rise.

Granted a little less steep, due to herd effect (who knows how big that is - possibly quite small), and possibly also warmer weather, but it will kill thousands of people nevertheless.

The only way is to try and save both health and the economy if thats at all possible. It should be as the Koreans seem to be managing it.
all theory. In the plague of the middle ages they locked the sick up and kept on with their daily lives
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There's also the little fact that it's a low population island a million miles away from anywhere else so inherently is operating from a very different starting position to Switzerland. Eg it can easily operate quarantine for new arrivals. Perhaps eradication is possible there. It certainly isn't in the middle of Europe.

You keep on saying that you don't believe in eradication but in keeping the number of cases manageable, but then complain when Switzerland tries to operate such a policy exactly in line with this.

Yep. I understand about NZ. They also have an arse-kicking PM with a massive common sense streak who doesn't seem in it for the glory. That helps.
I'm not complaining about CH. Not my circus etc. I'm expressing my bewilderment about some of the rather limited views on here.

Where did I say I don't believe in eradication?
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But not the much-admired model of alpha males.....
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all theory. In the plague of the middle ages they locked the sick up and kept on with their daily lives
Ah yes, the good old days. Toss the poop bucket and dead family members outside for collection and of to work.
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With internal hiccups, hü and hott, the government is wasting trust in its corona policy.
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Old 29.04.2020, 20:36
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We grown-up alpha males think Jacinda rocks
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Yep. I understand about NZ. They also have an arse-kicking PM with a massive common sense streak who doesn't seem in it for the glory. That helps.
I'm not complaining about CH. Not my circus etc. I'm expressing my bewilderment about some of the rather limited views on here.

Where did I say I don't believe in eradication?
So you do believe in eradication? Thanks for that confirmation as I've been totally confused by your position. I've constantly advocated being as open as you can be whilst not overloading hospitals. For me a formal lockdown as opposed to individual led social distancing and responsibility is something only to be done in an emergency situation. Not when cases are de minimis. This is exactly the same position taken by say, South Korea.

I'm very confused however as to where you stand.

Before you seemed to agree that the purpose of lockdown is not too overload the hospitals rather than eradicate the virus (which is not going to happen - I can tell you that for free). See your quote below. You actively told me off when I suggested that you appeared to be arguing for eradication rather than peak management.

So what do you believe? We should lockdown for months and months and hope we can make the virus extinct?

Or do you agree with me that we reopen now, monitor, track and trace, and try to balance health and the economy.

Or something else again?

I apologize if i'm misunderstanding you. I don't want to be rude or put words in your mouth, and you are obviously a very smart bloke - but I genuinely don't understand your position. What it seems to me is that you will adapt your "goal" such that it means that lockdown continues - at present that means you are advocating eradication. That may be unfair, but please correct me.

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I had a look today at the mortality charts from bfs and saw that apparently since yesterday they have regional charts (still WIP) here
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So you do believe in eradication. I've been totally confused by your position. I've constantly advocated being as open as you can be whilst not overloading hospitals.

I'm now very confused as to where you stand. Before you seemed to agree the aim is not overload the hospitals rather than eradicate the virus (which is not going to happen - I can tell you that for free). See your quote below
I'm confused by your confusion. I believe I have been entirely consistent in my view.

I have never believed lockdown was to eradicate the virus. I understand it is to minimise the spread and stop overloading medical services. I'm not sure where I've said differently.

I think we are some way away from vaccines.

I think, as horrible as the lockdown is, opening up too soon is a bad move.

I also think that folk advocating, essentially, that the (relative) "few" should take the hit for the many so as for the many not to be economically disadvantaged is callous.

I think advocating social distancing whilst also opening schools is an untenable position.

I think key workers are still grossly undervalued in all senses of the word.

I believe that "eradication" is possible but unless we all are able to replicate the population/country size ratio of NZ, it's a moot point.

I think Chris Hemsworth should always either be wet or have his shirt off.

Hopefully that clears stuff up. I know a few of you have been wondering about my stance vis a vis Mr Hemsworth.
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