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Didn't think about that. I've been married for too long
You would also expect that much less people would have viral diseases like a common cold.
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Didn't think about that. I've been married for too long
You would also expect that much less people would have viral diseases like a common cold.
It only makes sense, less contact moments means less infections same principle for every infectious disease.
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Old 30.04.2020, 10:44
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Waste water analysis done by EAWAG/EPFL found traces of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken in late February. They will continue to monitor the waste water with the aim to detect a new rise in infections due to the "lockxit" (lockdown exit).
https://www.eawag.ch/de/news-agenda/...wasser-lesbar/

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The detection of the new coronavirus in wastewater has been successful. Even small concentrations in samples taken at an early stage of the outbreak can be detected. A team of researchers from EPFL and Eawag is now working to optimize the method. The aim is to develop a system that can indicate a possible resurgence in case numbers earlier than clinical tests on infected humans.

"Detection and quantification of SARS-CoV2 in wastewater" - research projects on this scale usually take several years. Now a group led by Prof. Tamar Kohn (Laboratory for Environmental Chemistry at EPFL), Dr. Christoph Ort (Department of Urban Water Management) and Dr. Tim Julian (Department of Environmental Microbiology) from EAWAG has demonstrated within a few weeks and with great dedication that an idea can become reality. The first wastewater samples were analysed from Lugano, Lausanne and Zurich, and in the case of Zurich and Lugano also one each from the end of February with the first known cases of infection in Switzerland. In all samples the researchers succeeded in detecting the new coronavirus. In the newer samples, the concentrations are so high that analysis seems relatively simple. Not so for the samples from February: "We could not have expected that it would be possible to measure a signal in the wastewater from Lugano with only one and from Zurich with only six known cases," says environmental scientist Tamar Kohn.

See the course of the infection, not the absolute number of infected persons

The successful detection of low virus concentrations at an early time of the outbreak should make it possible to reconstruct the curve of the Covid-19 increase retrospectively. However, it will be weeks before the more than 300 samples currently stored frozen at Eawag and EPFL are all evaluated. It will hardly be possible to draw conclusions about the exact number of infected persons. Among other things, the number of viruses excreted per infected person fluctuates too much. What is important, however, is the course of the disease. Using the samples from Lausanne as an example, the scientists were able to roughly trace the increase in SARS-CoV2 viruses in wastewater between March and April: Kohn estimates that the concentration has multiplied ten to a hundred times.

Objective: Early warning system

Samples have been taken from twelve wastewater treatment plants, nine of them in Ticino, since the first Covid-19 diseases became known - a valuable archive. However, the main objective of the project is not to look back, but to establish a system with an early warning function. "With samples from 20 large wastewater treatment plants that are geographically well distributed across Switzerland, we could monitor the wastewater of around 2.5 million people," says environmental engineer Christoph Ort. If the samples are analysed quickly, a resurgence of infection during the exit from the lockdown could probably be detected earlier than through clinical tests on those affected; Ort hopes to be able to do so about a week earlier. The Eawag researcher has long been involved in wastewater epidemiology. Up to now, the focus has been on a Europe-wide comparison of drug consumption, because "wastewater does not lie and reflects within a few hours what the population is excreting," says Ort. Now the researchers have benefited from their well-established contacts with cantons and wastewater treatment plants.
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Old 30.04.2020, 11:30
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My "position" is that this virus ia terrifying and that we should all do what we can to make this almost unbearable situation... bearable. You keep using the word eradicate. Not me.
A lot of optimism here but Wuhan shows the world that the end of lockdown is just the beginning of the Covid-19 crisis. Despite the lifting of most strict lockdown laws, many stores are still shut, restaurants are restricted to takeaway and even when citizens go outside they still wear protective equipment and try to avoid each other.

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Old 30.04.2020, 11:32
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Waste water analysis done by EAWAG/EPFL found traces of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken in late February. They will continue to monitor the waste water with the aim to detect a new rise in infections due to the "lockxit" (lockdown exit).
Great find! The eawag also offers their translation https://www.eawag.ch/en/news-agenda/...in-wastewater/

I really liked this part : “Wastewater doesn’t lie, and it reflects what is excreted by the public within a few hours.”
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Old 30.04.2020, 11:45
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Didn't think about that. I've been married for too long
You would also expect that much less people would have viral diseases like a common cold.
However all the extra hand washing, disinfection of surfaces & social distancing we will all have reduced are immunity to disease. Unexpected consequences & all that
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Old 30.04.2020, 12:35
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WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...-the-world.amp



Can we mention Sweden here now?
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Old 30.04.2020, 12:42
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WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world


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Can we mention Sweden here now?
Yes. WHO, however..
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No, approval from the EF Science Council is still pending.
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Can we mention Sweden here now?
I think we should wait two more weeks before jumping to any wild conclusions.
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Old 30.04.2020, 12:50
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EF Task Force?
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Old 30.04.2020, 12:54
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I think we should wait two more weeks before jumping to any wild conclusions.

There have only been 3,300,000 confirmed cases of Covid 19.
We must wait for more data.

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WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world

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Can we mention Sweden here now?
Indeed, what a model 10x deaths of neighboring Norway and Finland, detected sick per day not going down at all.



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What the cigarette companies don't want you to know: In the absence of any other contributing medical problems 90 % of smokers end up with serious complications from a Corona virus infection
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As you might imagine for those in Spain, many are 'champing at the bit', to come out of lockdown especially
with the Summer holiday season coming up but so far the Spanish PM, Pedro Sanchez has only relented on children
being allowed out for one hour walks per day or to shop for necessities, usually accompanied by their parents.

More relaxations will no doubt occur in due time in May & June but in the meantime we are beset by people
( or should I say individuals ) flouting the rules. So no doubt the time will come for Pedro Sanchez to
appoint The Grand Inquisitor of the Lockdowns, in order to give a new mission in life, for the
Spanish Inquisition of the 2020's.


Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition during the lockdowns !!


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WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...-the-world.amp



Can we mention Sweden here now?
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""Sweden has put in place a very strong public policy around social distancing, around caring and protecting for people in long term care facilities and many other things,""
Sweden however admitted some days ago already that they failed to protect the elderly in the care-centers.

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They've been doing the testing,
They've been doing almost the least amount of testing of any Western country.

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they've ramped up their capacity to do intensive care quite significantly
Yeah, true they were quickly with putting IC patients in crappy army tents with old equipment in the parking lot.

Alcohol must be cheap when working for the WHO
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Old 30.04.2020, 13:14
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Just interesting:
Waste water analysis done by EAWAG/EPFL found traces of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in samples taken in late February. They will continue to monitor the waste water with the aim to detect a new rise in infections due to the "lockxit" (lockdown exit).

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Excellent, should be a fast and accurate way of determining a trend. I know they regularly test wastewater for recreational drugs so have the necessary processes in place for detecting and reporting very small concentrations.
It all depends on the accuracy of their tests and how well they are able to determine the concentration of viruses in the water.
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Your statement is still rubbish.
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Old 30.04.2020, 13:18
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An other just interesting piece of information:

Graphic showing the geographical distribution of confirmed COVID-19 cases over time.

(Hope it works. Source https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...rnational.html)
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My "position" is that this virus ia terrifying and that we should all do what we can to make this almost unbearable situation... bearable. You keep using the word eradicate. Not me.
I admire your persistence. I think it's useless to communicate with people committed to misunderstand you.
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