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I'd be interesting to do a poll on people's fear level. I, for example, have no fear of the virus. I'm concerned about it and taking sensible precautions, but I'm not scared.
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I'd be interesting to do a poll on people's fear level. I, for example, have no fear of the virus. I'm concerned about it and taking sensible precautions, but I'm not scared.
I'm scared for other people's lives and livelihoods.

I'm lucky enough to be young and able to wfh so my personal risk is low, but worried about my grandmother, who is obvious quite elderly.
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Re: Coronavirus

Interestingly, a few days ago I heard an interview with a guy (a doctor, I believe) who had been for year supporting people to quit somking, and he stated that nicotine may protect against corona. But he instisted, it is nicotine, not tobacco. He kept insisting people should quit smoking.

A quick search gave this link which says roughly the same: https://www.dw.com/en/does-nicotine-...rus/a-53260336
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Data on viral load, as estimated by real-time RT-PCR threshold cycle values from 3,712 COVID-19 patients were analysed to examine the relationship between patient age and SARS-CoV-2 viral load. Analysis of variance of viral loads in patients of different age categories found no significant difference between any pair of age categories including children. In particular, these data indicate that viral loads in the very young do not differ significantly from those of adults. Based on these results, we have to caution against an unlimited re-opening of schools and kindergartens in the present situation. Children may be as infectious as adults.
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I'd be interesting to do a poll on people's fear level. I, for example, have no fear of the virus. I'm concerned about it and taking sensible precautions, but I'm not scared.
Yes, I'd find that interesting, too.

Despite the fact that some journalists, and some posters here, occasionally use expressions such as panic or hysteria with regard to corona, I've not seen any evidence of overwhelming fear, neither online nor in Real Life. Exception: I've encountered one and only that one person who experienced a complete melt-down and had a panic attack because of their fear of corona. That's all.

I have heard people express fears for others, as jorido for his grandmother. And others about when/if they will see their loved-ones again, and where this is not possible, they are having to confront the pain of separation and, possibly, grief. There is some fear in families about these possible scenarios.

Both online and in Real Life, I hear/read that that people fear for the effects on the economy. I find it remarkable, though, that when arguing that saving the economy is the reason to lift the lockdown/ restrictions, the financial consequences of some months (?) of "a larger number than previously, of people becoming mildly to moderately ill, and then recovering, possibly with lasting health issues" seems to be often overlooked.
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Old 30.04.2020, 14:16
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Re: Coronavirus

Can you delete the image please. Having it here means one can't read any of the other posts in this thread, because of it's size.

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Can you delete the image please. Having it here means one can't read any of the other posts in this thread, because of it's size.

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Indeed, what a model 10x deaths of neighboring Norway and Finland, detected sick per day not going down at all.
The Swedish death rate per million is steadily increasing, they overtook Switzerland a while ago and just overtook Ireland this week.

The number of reported cases versus deaths is suspiciously low versus the world average.
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Re: Coronavirus

So dumb. They speak of a second virus wave in July just for the sake of " i told you so"if it happens. And it won't!
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The Swedish death rate per million is steadily increasing, they overtook Switzerland a while ago and just overtook Ireland this week.

The number of reported cases versus deaths is suspiciously low versus the world average.
Yeah, following deaths per capita is the only decent way of judging how hard places are.
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So dumb. They speak of a second virus wave in July just for the sake of " i told you so"if it happens. And it won't!
Take a look at this from the Spanish Flu https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...c-coronavirus/. It shows clearly that we will get a second peak unless we keep up a decent level of behaviour.

We can be a little less strict than we were before April 27, because the reproductive rate was significantly below 1. We can't however just go back to the way things were and avoid the second peak.

I still think that numerous countries (not Switzerland) went too far with the restrictions (no sunbathing etc.), but that's now by-the-by. I think all sensible people agree that looking forward we need to keep social distancing up for a long time. This isn't the end, or even the end of the beginning its just the end of the beginning.

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So dumb. They speak of a second virus wave in July just for the sake of " i told you so"if it happens. And it won't!
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How it was in the pre Corona days!
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WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...-the-world.amp



Can we mention Sweden here now?
Nice, a Fox News link in a non-Trump thread. Well done! Given that Fox still thinks this is all a Democratic hoax to oust Trump, and Trump is still a stable genius, I'd maybe not believe the article 100%.

To me, all these early speculations and comparing every country one-to-one is silly. All countries are not equal - not in population size, population behavior, government policy, healthcare systems, etc.

Remember how Singapore was being touted as a model of how to handle the outbreak...until it wasn't? New Zealand has declared itself Covid-19-free...for now.

If Sweden comes out of this with a sharper but still managed curve (which seems likely) it can be a valuable lesson. However, the Swedish approach may not translate well to other countries simply due to cultural differences regarding personal and shared/community responsibility.
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Old 30.04.2020, 16:31
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Nice, a Fox News link in a non-Trump thread. Well done! Given that Fox still thinks this is all a Democratic hoax to oust Trump, and Trump is still a stable genius, I'd maybe not believe the article 100%.

To me, all these early speculations and comparing every country one-to-one is silly. All countries are not equal - not in population size, population behavior, government policy, healthcare systems, etc.

Remember how Singapore was being touted as a model of how to handle the outbreak...until it wasn't? New Zealand has declared itself Covid-19-free...for now.

If Sweden comes out of this with a sharper but still managed curve (which seems likely) it can be a valuable lesson. However, the Swedish approach may not translate well to other countries simply due to cultural differences regarding personal and shared/community responsibility.
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Old 30.04.2020, 16:54
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I'd be interesting to do a poll on people's fear level. I, for example, have no fear of the virus. I'm concerned about it and taking sensible precautions, but I'm not scared.
My mother is 87, she wrote this to me today in a text "If anyone in the family is going to get it, I hope it is me. I have lived my life." I don't think she is afraid.

I feel the same way, as a mother I feel a natural concern about my children, although there's no real reason for that. Neither my husband nor I are afraid. We have, however, instructed our sons on what to do if we were to die and where the Wills etc are. We have also warned them not to blow all the money on Aston Martins and the practical side of me is happy with that.

For me, I like to face the worst in my mind, and then put it to one side and expect the best. I am concerned for us all, but not afraid.
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I'm scared for other people's lives and livelihoods.

I'm lucky enough to be young and able to wfh so my personal risk is low, but worried about my grandmother, who is obvious quite elderly.
I'm concerned and care about them. But not scared.

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Take a look at this from the Spanish Flu https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...c-coronavirus/. It shows clearly that we will get a second peak unless we keep up a decent level of behaviour.
Nope, it clearly shows that there were three peaks of Spanish 'flu. The circumstances of Spanish 'flu were very different from now. There isn't widespread poverty, disease and unsanitary living conditions worldwide. We haven't just fought a rather nasty global war. We're not undergoing massive troop movements and demobalisation in very cramped conditions. We do have treatments for secondary infections etc. etc.

Yes, we cannot be complacent, but a second more deadly wave as happened with Spanish 'flu isn't certain. You're ignoring the fact that there were three waves of Spanish 'flu, and that cities often reimposed social distancing (as seen in your data).
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I'm concerned and care about them. But not scared.

Nope, it clearly shows that there were three peaks of Spanish 'flu. The circumstances of Spanish 'flu were very different from now. There isn't widespread poverty, disease and unsanitary living conditions worldwide. We haven't just fought a rather nasty global war. We're not undergoing massive troop movements and demobalisation in very cramped conditions. We do have treatments for secondary infections etc. etc.

Yes, we cannot be complacent, but a second more deadly wave as happened with Spanish 'flu isn't certain. You're ignoring the fact that there were three waves of Spanish 'flu, and that cities often reimposed social distancing (as seen in your data).
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I went to a wedding in North Wales one time, got there early so walked through the graveyard and there were many graves of Canadian soldiers.
Seems they were shipped there after WW1 but could not get home because the ports were iced up. Most of them died from a mixture of Spanish flu, starvation, and the results of their resulting mutiny.
Ironic to survive the war and then to die in such circumstances.
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To be fair, washing the bicycle in a river or lake sounds like a rather bad idea, wastewater treatment shouldn't be bypassed. Even if it's just the Sihl.
Washing equals rinsing away mud clumps, a few pounds more or less sand in the river a year will not hurt it. I don't care if my bike shines or not, it's a tool not a partner.
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