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02.05.2020, 18:47
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Can someone post the swiss government guidelines for flights arriving in Switzerland? Who is allowed to fly in and when the bans will be removed?
Or there's no such info yet? | | | | | There isn’t actually any guidelines. It is basically up to the airlines to operate as many flights as they want. (With the caveat that ex-EU flights require the airline to have the appropriate traffic rights)
What we have is low demand meaning airlines choose not to fly empty airplanes. Easyjet could be flying, no government restrictions or guidelines, but they have just chosen to park their airplanes.
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02.05.2020, 19:44
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Actually I did not go there expressly to buy a Rivella. It was a toilet stop there en route to Jumbo in Dietlikon. So I thought I might as well get something to drink as I was thirsty! And Jumbo was overrun by the Saturday shoppers buying hundreds of plants.  | | | | | Some people are part of the problem and some are part of the solution. Your life. Your choice. | The following 6 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post: | | 
02.05.2020, 21:41
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | No, not an antidote, or a treatment. It can reduce, slightly, the duration of the illness.
And no doubt make billions for a failed product. | | | | | For every 3 to 5 days a patient isn't hooked up to a ventilator, how much savings is that worth? I'll let you do the math here. It's an an anti-viral which can help and from what I have read, Gilead is donating 1.5 million vials of Remdesivir. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/u-s--em...sivir/45731782
To me, what is the harm? If this helps patients recover faster and reduces time spent in hospitals, how is this not a win/win?
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02.05.2020, 21:48
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Tried home deliveries with both Migros and Coop but was disappointed with the quality of the fresh food; fruit and vegetables showing mould within 3 or 4 days which is not funny when you have to wait two weeks for a delivery appointment. | | | | | I could book deliveries from Migros only 2 times tbh, it was impossible to get other free slots. The quality was OK. We order flour, sugar, syrups, pasta etc from Coop and somehow managed to have Farmy and Hello Fresh deliveries. For the rest of things we cannot order online we go to the stores.
If you're not Instagram adverse you have plenty of small producers advertising their stuff, of course it's more expensive but I guess it's worth it. We bought lamb for Easter and other meat(s) directly from farmers.
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02.05.2020, 22:07
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | For every 3 to 5 days a patient isn't hooked up to a ventilator, how much savings is that worth? I'll let you do the math here. It's an an anti-viral which can help and from what I have read, Gilead is donating 1.5 million vials of Remdesivir. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/u-s--em...sivir/45731782
To me, what is the harm? If this helps patients recover faster and reduces time spent in hospitals, how is this not a win/win? | | | | | "If this helps patients recover faster and reduces time spent in hospitals" fine if that is the result but if it actually accelerates death then not so good.
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02.05.2020, 22:24
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | "If this helps patients recover faster and reduces time spent in hospitals" fine if that is the result but if it actually accelerates death then not so good. | | | | | Marton, I have read a lot about Remdesivir; it was formally a trial drug for Ebola and while it did not prove successful in treating Ebola, it was safe! Therein lies the caveat, as there is a safe drug which in a two fold blind testing has proven to increase patient's health by 30%. That is a significant statistic and according to Dr. Fauci who led the testing through the NIH, they are looking to improve on that percentage.
Given that Gilead, has DONATED 1.5 million vials of the drug, even if they don't improve on that 30% baseline, surely that is an improvement. To me why not? This may be a win/win... | 
02.05.2020, 22:36
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I should also note, that the testing carried out by Gilead from what I have read was only done with those patients with acute symptoms. They are now looking at giving this drug to those who are not on respirators. Will be interesting to see how these trials bear out. I think the fact that Fauci led these trials through the NIH gives it credence. But one never knows...
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02.05.2020, 22:50
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Here's a good explanation of Remdesivir and the next steps: https://abc7news.com/health/stanford...sivir/6145246/ | This user would like to thank terrifisch for this useful post: | | 
02.05.2020, 23:28
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That study Edwin if you researched was incomplete. There were not enough patients to complete the study. Also note that outside of one scientist in that study, all were Chinese. And it was not a blind study. Fauci led the current Remdesivir study through the NIH and it was a two fold blind study.
So are you saying you agree with the incomplete study coming from China? Hmmm... I am inclined to go with Fauci here and not China given their limited data/study.
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02.05.2020, 23:41
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | That study Edwin if you researched was incomplete. There were not enough patients to complete the study. Also note that outside of one scientist in that study, all were Chinese. And it was not a blind study. Fauci led the current Remdesivir study through the NIH and it was a two fold blind study.
So are you saying you agree with the incomplete study coming from China? Hmmm... I am inclined to go with Fauci here and not China given their limited data/study. | | | | | Lots of medicines look good in early testing but fail in large scale trials.
So far I would describe Remdesivir results as encouraging but too soon to draw firm conclusions.
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02.05.2020, 23:52
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Note: I was incorrect about the China study via Lancet, it was a double blind study as was Fauci's. The difference being the China/Lancet study did not have enough patients which could have skewed results. It was deemed incomplete.
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03.05.2020, 00:44
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Here's the best plan I've seen so far at the 2020 Ideal Homes lockdown Exhibition. | 
03.05.2020, 01:19
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | For every 3 to 5 days a patient isn't hooked up to a ventilator, how much savings is that worth? I'll let you do the math here. It's an an anti-viral which can help and from what I have read, Gilead is donating 1.5 million vials of Remdesivir. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/u-s--em...sivir/45731782 To me, what is the harm? If this helps patients recover faster and reduces time spent in hospitals, how is this not a win/win? | | | | | Déjà vu? Are you for real? | 
03.05.2020, 07:54
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So how long are all these rules supposed to apply-2m distance,masks at hairdresser etc etc. Slowly one has the gut full from all these Govt rules and regulations! | 
03.05.2020, 08:12
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This is Major Tom to Ground Control
I'm stepping through the door
And I'm floating in a most peculiar way
Can I please get back inside? if I may
For here
Am I sitting in a tin can
Far above the world
Planet Earth is blue
And there's nothing I can do
This is Major Tom to Ground Control
I'm feeling very still
And I think my spaceship knows which way to go
Tell my wife I love her very much
She knows
Though I'm past one hundred thousand miles
I'm feeling very still
And I think my spaceship knows what I must do
And I think my life on Earth is nearly through
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03.05.2020, 08:15
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Probably until at least the end of June.
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03.05.2020, 08:23
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Probably until at least the end of June. | | | | | of what year? | The following 5 users would like to thank robBob for this useful post: | | 
03.05.2020, 09:24
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | a safe drug which in a two fold blind testing has proven to increase patient's health by 30%. | | | | | What does that even mean?
What did the original research actually conclude? A 30% increase in... what?
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03.05.2020, 10:01
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | What does that even mean?
What did the original research actually conclude? A 30% increase in... what? | | | | | Reading comprehension issues? It was clearly stated that there was a 30% increase in "Health". I asked my son. He told me that it is a video game terminology: when you are taking a beating, you need to take a potion to increase your health. Level Up with Remdesivir.
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