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03.05.2020, 17:46
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Ok marton a) you seemed to miss the point where I was, in this instance, talking about Switzerland specifically.
And b) since your main contribution is to add pics and links to graphs and articles (for all of which you can find other articles that would say the opposite), I'd like to hear what your grand and realistic suggestion then would be as to the way forward. Let's assume that if we all go back to normal, step by step, and there will be this huuuuge wave and millions will die within a month - then what? Elaborate. And it's safe to assume that locking in 7.7bn people until there's a vaccine isn't a plan (not to mention that there'd be no one financing, developing or producing that vaccine and even if they did somehow, a vaccine won't... - well see above) | | | | | People like you should stop suggesting the whole time that if you're not in favour of fully opening up society it automatically means that one wants as little deaths as possible and a full lock-down. Such tiresome everlasting bull-shit in this topic.
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03.05.2020, 17:53
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The new Roche test looks promising... MAY 3, 2020 / 1:12 PM / UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO 'ZURICH (Reuters) - Roche aims to more than double production of its new coronavirus antibody test to “significantly more than” 100 million tests a month by the end of the year, the company’s diagnostics unit head said on Sunday.
The Swiss company won U.S. emergency use approval for the test that relies on taking intravenous blood draws. Roche said its test has a specificity rate of more than 99.8% and sensitivity rate of 100%, figures indicating very few false-positive tests and no false negatives.' https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN22F0G6 | The following 8 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post: | | 
03.05.2020, 18:00
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Ok marton a) you seemed to miss the point where I was, in this instance, talking about Switzerland specifically.
And b) since your main contribution is to add pics and links to graphs and articles (for all of which you can find other articles that would say the opposite), I'd like to hear what your grand and realistic suggestion then would be as to the way forward. Let's assume that if we all go back to normal, step by step, and there will be this huuuuge wave and millions will die within a month - then what? Elaborate. And it's safe to assume that locking in 7.7bn people until there's a vaccine isn't a plan (not to mention that there'd be no one financing, developing or producing that vaccine and even if they did somehow, a vaccine won't... - well see above) | | | | | Well if you want to talk about Switzerland specifically then you might mention BAG, like worldometers, reported no deaths today and only 88 new cases. | Quote: |  | | | 3.5.2020, 8 am, cases confirmed in Switzerland:
Tested positive for coronavirus: 29,905 people, 88 more than on the previous day
Deaths: 1,473 people | | | | | I add pics and links to graphs and articles that illustrate and support my views to both add interest and credibility.
I will take your claim "other articles that would say the opposite" with a pinch of salt until you link to them so I can read them.
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03.05.2020, 18:44
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Are some people still rumbling about lock down and second/third wave?
Waiting on the first wave that never came we barely topped the numbers on a bad flu year...in the mean time a lot more people will be or were affected by the lock down
C'mon folks, with lock down officially over next week it's about time to stop the panic and continue your lifes without fear...
Next time you search for a blue zone parking in Zurich don't complain if you have to walk for 5 minutes...
SWISS is parking 7 of its jets in Amman, Jordan due to no parking space at ZRH (I imagine!) https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/pourqu...e-365722169174 | The following 3 users would like to thank V__ for this useful post: | | The following 2 users groan at V__ for this post: | | 
03.05.2020, 19:59
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Waiting on the first wave that never came we barely topped the numbers on a bad flu year... | | | | | I hear ya!
It's the same with condoms by the way. They're a complete rip off!
Not a single pregnancy since I/we started using them!
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03.05.2020, 20:19
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The surfers code. Dont take the first wave of the set because the second is always bigger
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03.05.2020, 20:20
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | ...
Limiting the number of visits to a supermarket by a single person has got to be better for reducing the spreading of a virus to them, or from them... | | | | | Fear God, families and bunches of teens do need a place to hang out | 
03.05.2020, 20:21
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Are some people still rumbling about lock down and second/third wave? 
Waiting on the first wave that never came we barely topped the numbers on a bad flu year...in the mean time a lot more people will be or were affected by the lock down
C'mon folks, with lock down officially over next week it's about time to stop the panic and continue your lifes without fear... 
Next time you search for a blue zone parking in Zurich don't complain if you have to walk for 5 minutes...
SWISS is parking 7 of its jets in Amman, Jordan due to no parking space at ZRH (I imagine!) https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/pourqu...e-365722169174 | | | | | In just 8 weeks barely topped the numbers on a bad flu year, disappointing!
Continue your lives without fear? But the coronavirus has not disappeared.
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03.05.2020, 20:24
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You are not being fair here, the warnings about that wave that would collapse hospitals were made mostly end of March and if I am not mistaken even right before Easter, with the current measures already in place. Definitely not before measures were applied.
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03.05.2020, 21:19
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | You are not being fair here, the warnings about that wave that would collapse hospitals were made mostly end of March and if I am not mistaken even right before Easter, with the current measures already in place. Definitely not before measures were applied. | | | | | If you'd be correctly you'd remember that we installed all the measurements to avoid the healthcare system from being overrun. So surely the warnings must have been from before the measurements.
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Fauci's study is promising... | | | | | unless he's trying not to get fired by Trump | This user would like to thank jimk for this useful post: | | 
03.05.2020, 21:58
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | The Swiss company ... relies on taking intravenous blood draws. ...] | | | | | shit, I hate intravenous | 
03.05.2020, 22:10
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Well now they're saying Italy's borders are likely to stay closed for at least a year 
We own a nice holiday apartment by the sea in Liguria and can't even get there!
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03.05.2020, 23:31
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Social distancing measures could be around for years. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/virus-o...ears-/45733710 | This user would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post: | | 
03.05.2020, 23:50
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Weird actually. We live on an overpopulated planet, yet the key long-term plan is focused on saving 1-2% of the population.
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04.05.2020, 00:05
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Weird actually. We live on an overpopulated planet, yet the key long-term plan is focused on saving 1-2% of the population. | | | | | Killing the generations that already "produced" is not really going to help against overpopulation.
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04.05.2020, 00:24
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | You are not being fair here, the warnings about that wave that would collapse hospitals were made mostly end of March and if I am not mistaken even right before Easter, with the current measures already in place. Definitely not before measures were applied. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | If you'd be correctly you'd remember that we installed all the measurements to avoid the healthcare system from being overrun. So surely the warnings must have been from before the measurements. | | | | | 29.03.20, post #5601: | Quote: | |  | | | The wave has not hit, patients dying today were diagnosed before the half assed lockdown we're living now. We will most likely sadly see hundreds of deaths per day in the coming weeks. We had 170 deaths 48 hours ago, we are now at 275 and most cantons still haven't communicated the numbers for today.
We are going to need beds, oxygen, ventilators, tubing, nurses, doctors, gowns, masks, gloves, everything. The wave is going to hit, make no mistake. The fact it hasn't yet is just giving us more time to move patients out of the hospital, open old wards that were left unattended for decaded and build literal tents in the hospital parking lots for testing. But just because people aren't dying en masse yet doesn't mean they won't. | | | | |
05.04.20, Alain Berset:
"Wir sind noch weit davon entfernt, die Lage unter Kontrolle zu haben"
"Erst wenn wir den Gipfel überschritten haben und die Fallzahlen sinken, werden wir in eine neue Phase übergehen können"
I am not criticising any of them, in fact what Kally said was unfortunatey very right: the number of deaths at the time was nothing compared to the figures now, and the peak in hospitalizations or ICU beds was reached on the 02.04. and 03.04. respectively. As for Berset, it is reasonable that on the 5th he still wanted to be cautious.
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04.05.2020, 00:40
| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | 29.03.20, post #5601:
05.04.20, Alain Berset:
"Wir sind noch weit davon entfernt, die Lage unter Kontrolle zu haben"
"Erst wenn wir den Gipfel überschritten haben und die Fallzahlen sinken, werden wir in eine neue Phase übergehen können"
I am not criticising any of them, in fact what Kally said was unfortunatey very right: the number of deaths at the time was nothing compared to the figures now, and the peak in hospitalizations or ICU beds was reached on the 02.04. and 03.04. respectively. As for Berset, it is reasonable that on the 5th he still wanted to be cautious. | | | | | The measures where taken to flatten the curve, we wanted to flatten the curve to avoid hospitals being overrun. And those warnings of such wave were the cause of the measurements.
That you seem to think otherwise and even state that no warnings of overrun hospitals where given before we took measurements is utterly weird, that you think that what you posted supports your idea is even weirder.
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04.05.2020, 00:52
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | You are not being fair here, the warnings about that wave that would collapse hospitals were made mostly end of March and if I am not mistaken even right before Easter, with the current measures already in place. Definitely not before measures were applied. | | | | | IIRC ICU capacity in February was ~800 beds, with a relatively quick expansion to more than 1000. Some 2000 ICU beds are available today. The models predict that this capacity will be fully used if there's a next wave and if it has R0~1.5. Whether everything else would suffice remains to be seen, especially drugs needed for the ICUs. March 13: Health system faces collapse like in Italy March 9: Hospitals may collapse | 
04.05.2020, 08:20
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Switzerland is opening - only the elderly remain isolated
The over 65-year-olds still have to wait for easing. Many withdraw and become lonely. Now they are resisting their exclusion. The people in elderly nursing homes are being imprisoned. Its called false imprisonment!! https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/die-sch...t-592124565676
Tessin is the worst in this respect!! But again Tessin is anyhow out of touch with the world
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