Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #8821  
Old 04.05.2020, 08:59
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,861
Groaned at 346 Times in 282 Posts
Thanked 15,912 Times in 8,115 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Switzerland is opening - only the elderly remain isolated
The over 65-year-olds still have to wait for easing. Many withdraw and become lonely. Now they are resisting their exclusion. The people in elderly nursing homes are being imprisoned. Its called false imprisonment!!

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/die-sch...t-592124565676

Tessin is the worst in this respect!! But again Tessin is anyhow out of touch with the world
Well, maybe that's because many elderly who are spending their retirement in senior houses were among the most affected demographic groups. Worldwide.
Reply With Quote
  #8822  
Old 04.05.2020, 09:42
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

First case of corona in France was 27th of December, a local man who didn't travel. That is 1 month before the official first case in France.

As it seems the virus is spread much more than some people think...

https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/un-...bondy-20200503
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank V__ for this useful post:
  #8823  
Old 04.05.2020, 10:20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: ZH
Posts: 493
Groaned at 32 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 529 Times in 250 Posts
LifeStrain has a reputation beyond reputeLifeStrain has a reputation beyond reputeLifeStrain has a reputation beyond reputeLifeStrain has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
The new Roche test looks promising...

MAY 3, 2020 / 1:12 PM / UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO
'ZURICH (Reuters) - Roche aims to more than double production of its new coronavirus antibody test to “significantly more than” 100 million tests a month by the end of the year, the company’s diagnostics unit head said on Sunday.

The Swiss company won U.S. emergency use approval for the test that relies on taking intravenous blood draws. Roche said its test has a specificity rate of more than 99.8% and sensitivity rate of 100%, figures indicating very few false-positive tests and no false negatives.'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN22F0G6
Quote:
“If you take blood from a finger prick, you will never be able to achieve the same level of specificity that you will achieve...when you take blood from the vein,” Roche diagnostics head Thomas Schinecker told Reuters on Sunday. “You have to have very, very high specificity. Even 0.1 or 0.2 percent makes a difference.”
It's a pity Theranos is not with us anymore, they'd argue this
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank LifeStrain for this useful post:
  #8824  
Old 04.05.2020, 10:35
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
First case of corona in France was 27th of December, a local man who didn't travel. That is 1 month before the official first case in France.

As it seems the virus is spread much more than some people think...

https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/un-...bondy-20200503
So maybe it didn't originate in China after all. Maybe the Chinese are right, and it was a US military plot. Plenty of fodder there for tinfoil enthusiasts.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #8825  
Old 04.05.2020, 10:41
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,861
Groaned at 346 Times in 282 Posts
Thanked 15,912 Times in 8,115 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
So maybe it didn't originate in China after all. Maybe the Chinese are right, and it was a US military plot. Plenty of fodder there for tinfoil enthusiasts.
Tinfoil enthusiasts or agitators?
Reply With Quote
  #8826  
Old 04.05.2020, 10:44
Samaire13's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CH
Posts: 4,333
Groaned at 128 Times in 102 Posts
Thanked 7,258 Times in 2,761 Posts
Samaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
So maybe it didn't originate in China after all. Maybe the Chinese are right, and it was a US military plot. Plenty of fodder there for tinfoil enthusiasts.
Or it's simply been here for months and months and for whatever reason, no one really noticed.

It's really massively unlikely that until early March, there was nothing anywhere other than in one province in China. Nothing was shut down, no flights were cancelled, people these days travel all over the place and did so well into mid-March. Even Wuhan didn't close down for a whole month since they presumably discovered the first case.

But assuming it's actually been all over the place since late December or at least early January, why and how the hell did it take more than two months for cases to seemingly "explode"? Something off about this timeline, but I guess we'll never know.

Quote:
View Post
It's a pity Theranos is not with us anymore, they'd argue this
That one ever go to jail?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Samaire13 for this useful post:
  #8827  
Old 04.05.2020, 11:31
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Zurich
Posts: 449
Groaned at 48 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 1,006 Times in 500 Posts
John William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Yes it's Monday again and another hard day at the Office ( Home ) where collar and tie standards
are maintained at all times during those all important video conference business meetings.


Name:  Home office.jpg
Views: 271
Size:  44.8 KB
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank John William for this useful post:
  #8828  
Old 04.05.2020, 11:44
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Or it's simply been here for months and months and for whatever reason, no one really noticed.

It's really massively unlikely that until early March, there was nothing anywhere other than in one province in China. Nothing was shut down, no flights were cancelled, people these days travel all over the place and did so well into mid-March. Even Wuhan didn't close down for a whole month since they presumably discovered the first case.

But assuming it's actually been all over the place since late December or at least early January, why and how the hell did it take more than two months for cases to seemingly "explode"? Something off about this timeline, but I guess we'll never know.
Because even at an R of 3 (2 to 3 seems usual) it takes about 2 weeks from first infection to even get 100 infections and another week for those to actually become visible through symptoms. Add in to that the fact that those first cases will be almost exclusively younger, non-vulnerable who will dismiss the infection as just another cold that gap gets even longer. It takes a while for the infection to get at the more vulnerable, less travelling, less likely to go to large events crowd.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #8829  
Old 04.05.2020, 11:46
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Zurich
Posts: 449
Groaned at 48 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 1,006 Times in 500 Posts
John William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

And for those working in a casual wear working environment we recommend this.

Name:  Home office2.jpg
Views: 254
Size:  47.9 KB
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank John William for this useful post:
  #8830  
Old 04.05.2020, 11:50
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: ZH
Posts: 493
Groaned at 32 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 529 Times in 250 Posts
LifeStrain has a reputation beyond reputeLifeStrain has a reputation beyond reputeLifeStrain has a reputation beyond reputeLifeStrain has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mo...GsX?li=BBnb7Kz

Not the first time a huge proportion of symptom-free positives is reported.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank LifeStrain for this useful post:
  #8831  
Old 04.05.2020, 11:54
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Or it's simply been here for months and months and for whatever reason, no one really noticed.

It's really massively unlikely that until early March, there was nothing anywhere other than in one province in China. Nothing was shut down, no flights were cancelled, people these days travel all over the place and did so well into mid-March. Even Wuhan didn't close down for a whole month since they presumably discovered the first case.

But assuming it's actually been all over the place since late December or at least early January, why and how the hell did it take more than two months for cases to seemingly "explode"? Something off about this timeline, but I guess we'll never know.
1 - 2 - 4 - 8- 16 - 32 - 64 - 128 - 256 - 512 - 1024

About 3 days in between each step.
Assume half show no symptoms.
Flu-season still going on and mostly similar symptoms, and flu is diagnosed by opinion and exclusion not by testing for influenza, so easily to make a mistake here.
An IFR much higher than the flu but still lower than 1%
Attention from GP's wasn't there yet, and if so they could not test for Covid-19

Basically a first month of such disease spreading hardly anything happens and there are only a few rare cases that might have been noticed.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #8832  
Old 04.05.2020, 11:57
Samaire13's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CH
Posts: 4,333
Groaned at 128 Times in 102 Posts
Thanked 7,258 Times in 2,761 Posts
Samaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
Because even at an R of 3 (2 to 3 seems usual) it takes about 2 weeks from first infection to even get 100 infections and another week for those to actually become visible through symptoms. Add in to that the fact that those first cases will be almost exclusively younger, non-vulnerable who will dismiss the infection as just another cold that gap gets even longer. It takes a while for the infection to get at the more vulnerable, less travelling, less likely to go to large events crowd.
Makes sense. 3 months still seems long, but makes sense.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Samaire13 for this useful post:
  #8833  
Old 04.05.2020, 12:09
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Zurich
Posts: 449
Groaned at 48 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 1,006 Times in 500 Posts
John William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
And for those working in a casual wear working environment we recommend this.

Attachment 139365
Still working from home but enjoying the beach as lockdown restrictions are eased while looking professional at
all times.

Name:  Home office4.jpg
Views: 214
Size:  42.9 KB
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank John William for this useful post:
  #8834  
Old 04.05.2020, 12:10
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,112
Groaned at 122 Times in 106 Posts
Thanked 11,014 Times in 4,834 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Switzerland is opening - only the elderly remain isolated
The over 65-year-olds still have to wait for easing. Many withdraw and become lonely. Now they are resisting their exclusion.
And the families that are shielding children or people with disabilities or people whose immune system is depressed or people with cancer, etc... It's not just the elderly by a long way.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #8835  
Old 04.05.2020, 12:11
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 10,861
Groaned at 346 Times in 282 Posts
Thanked 15,912 Times in 8,115 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Still working from home but enjoying the beach as lockdown restrictions are eased while looking professional at
all times.
OK, we got it: you're a good-looking and very busy fellow.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #8836  
Old 04.05.2020, 12:28
Blueangel's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 4,112
Groaned at 122 Times in 106 Posts
Thanked 11,014 Times in 4,834 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Or it's simply been here for months and months and for whatever reason, no one really noticed.

It's really massively unlikely that until early March, there was nothing anywhere other than in one province in China.
Well documented so I've no idea how or why you made this statement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...y_or_territory
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #8837  
Old 04.05.2020, 13:00
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 12,783
Groaned at 99 Times in 88 Posts
Thanked 19,576 Times in 8,681 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
Flu-season still going on and mostly similar symptoms, and flu is diagnosed by opinion and exclusion not by testing for influenza, so easily to make a mistake here.
An IFR much higher than the flu but still lower than 1%
Attention from GP's wasn't there yet, and if so they could not test for Covid-19

Basically a first month of such disease spreading hardly anything happens and there are only a few rare cases that might have been noticed.
Mortality wise the flue season was mild/bellow average, thanks due that A(H3N2) was not prevalent. If COVID-19 was really masked by the flu, than it did it really well or the strain circulating back than was less deadly.
Reply With Quote
  #8838  
Old 04.05.2020, 13:11
TonyClifton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 1,678
Groaned at 589 Times in 336 Posts
Thanked 4,108 Times in 1,726 Posts
TonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
First case of corona in France was 27th of December, a local man who didn't travel. That is 1 month before the official first case in France.

As it seems the virus is spread much more than some people think...

https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/un-...bondy-20200503
A study from Germany believes that the number of infected is 10 times higher than originally believed. If this is the case, then the argument for lockdown becomes loses even more weight.

https://www.stern.de/gesundheit/-hei...r-9249388.html
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank TonyClifton for this useful post:
  #8839  
Old 04.05.2020, 13:16
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: SG
Posts: 9,420
Groaned at 500 Times in 371 Posts
Thanked 12,510 Times in 6,491 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
So maybe it didn't originate in China after all. Maybe the Chinese are right, and it was a US military plot. Plenty of fodder there for tinfoil enthusiasts.
If memory serves, some theorise that the virus "jumped" to humans using one or more species as intermediate hosts, as stepping stones if you will. If that's true, then it may be possible that animals from that/those intermediate species may have been imported into Europe, which then may have allowed the virus jumping to humans in multiple locations.

So far that's just speculation, mind.
Reply With Quote
  #8840  
Old 04.05.2020, 13:17
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Mortality wise the flue season was mild/bellow average, thanks due that A(H3N2) was not prevalent. If COVID-19 was really masked by the flu, than it did it really well or the strain circulating back than was less deadly.
Many people even today with all their knowledge about symptoms and such have no clue if they had/have the flu, a common cold or corona.

And less deadly, well it takes some weeks in between getting infected and actually dying, combine that with a low IFR and it would only be a few people dying which gives little to mask, easily to misdiagnose especially when people do not get tested for influenza. We all been ill in this household end of Feb, early March, me and my wife suffered the worst "flu" ever with more different symptoms at the same time than we ever had with a flu, and in contrary to normally in this household our kid who otherwise is most effected only had a high temp for some time and that was all. We all were checked for some other infections which turned out negative so the untested diagnose was the flu, however nobody knows for real what we had, could be the flu, could be corona could be something else. And like us there are many others.

It's not hard to hide if nobody is looking for you.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
cold, corona, coronavirus, covid, covid-19, flu, health, medical, virus




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 4 (1 members and 3 guests)
debriefer
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Coronavirus Jokes makeabigwish Daily life 260 Yesterday 14:09
Coronavirus closed janvier Forum support 18 01.11.2020 13:12
Paid holidays and coronavirus Curtiss Employment 2 20.04.2020 09:22
Coronavirus scammers are out there - be warned Medea Fleecestealer Daily life 9 18.04.2020 18:53
Leaving Switzerland for UK during coronavirus barkingtreewolf Leaving Switzerland 19 11.04.2020 11:45


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 00:10.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0