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04.05.2020, 20:18
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | 1.1 million people have recovered so far. That's 0.01% of the world population. Unless it would drastically change, I think that's a segment too small for separate planes, hotels and restaurants. | | | | | It's probably many times more.....
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04.05.2020, 20:26
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Since last week I've been in a good mood because a lot of things will reopen next Monday 11th of May:
schools: my wife will leave the house and go to work
bars: 
gyms: I've been riding my bike a lot, but I miss the sauna 
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time to forget about the no lockdown Sweden with higher deaths per million than here. We'll also have no lockdown next week and a lot less dead, what's not to like? | | | | | Yes. Good to get the wife out from under your feet | The following 2 users would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post: | | 
04.05.2020, 20:34
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It is no worse than flu | Quote: |  | | | The Trump administration is projecting that the United States could see up to 3,000 deaths per day from the coronavirus by June 1, a person familiar with internal documents confirmed to The Hill on Monday.
The projections show the U.S. reaching 200,000 new cases daily by June 1 with a daily death toll of roughly 3,000. The number of daily cases peaked in late April at just over 30,000. The current daily death toll varies, but typically falls between 1,500 and 2,000. | | | | | Source
This, of course, takes account of the states to begin to ease stay-at-home orders.
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04.05.2020, 20:44
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | All this talk of immunity passports and those that have been tested positive & proved to have survived
the virus & therefore assumed to be safe from reinfestion becoming 'a new class of citizen' in the post
lockdown world; when we all emerge into 'the new normal' for however long it takes before a vaccine
or an inoculation against the virus is perfected.
Will Restaurants and bars become divided between immunity passport customers and non immunitity
passport customers; like we had smoking and non smoking areas in bars & restaurants of the past
as well as 1st, 2nd and 3rd class carriages back in the days of steam trains.
On planes - will 'immunity passport passengers' enjoy Business class travel with few restrictions
while those who've never had the virus, have to travel in people distancing sections of the aircraft,
complete with masks, gloves and stewardesses disinfecting everything they touch, with the byword
being 'bring your own sandwiches' ? Or even go so far as to have 'immunity passport' flights
and 'non immunity passport' flights.
Then when you arrive at your destination will there be Immunity Passport Hotels and Non Immunity
Passport Hotels and maybe even going so far as having Immunity passport beaches and
non Immunity passport beaches ? | | | | | Well more likely non-immunity-passports won't be admitted into the country at all...
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04.05.2020, 21:00
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Well more likely non-immunity-passports won't be admitted into the country at all... | | | | | Given that less than 1% of world population were confirmed to be infected, that'd be a mighty stupid idea, assuming people travel mostly for tourism, also known as a key contribution to roughly any country's GDP.
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04.05.2020, 21:12
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | It's probably many times more..... | | | | | Maximum about 10 times. That's still only 0.1% of the world's population.
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04.05.2020, 21:14
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Given that less than 1% of world population were confirmed to be infected, that'd be a mighty stupid idea, assuming people travel mostly for tourism, also known as a key contribution to roughly any country's GDP. | | | | | Lol, no. My home country for instance has almost no income from tourism (I mean tourists coming from abroad, internal tourism - yes, and I hope there will be a lot more after corona because we have a very beautiful country). Well, nothing worth mentioning, really. But we travel, so asking from anyone a immunity certificate would create a huge bureaucracy. I'm actually curious how could this measure be implemented and if it would make any sense....probably not.
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | All this talk of immunity passports and those that have been tested positive & proved to have survived
the virus & therefore assumed to be safe from reinfestion becoming 'a new class of citizen' in the post
lockdown world; when we all emerge into 'the new normal' for however long it takes before a vaccine
or an inoculation against the virus is perfected.
Will Restaurants and bars become divided between immunity passport customers and non immunitity
passport customers; like we had smoking and non smoking areas in bars & restaurants of the past
as well as 1st, 2nd and 3rd class carriages back in the days of steam trains.
On planes - will 'immunity passport passengers' enjoy Business class travel with few restrictions
while those who've never had the virus, have to travel in people distancing sections of the aircraft,
complete with masks, gloves and stewardesses disinfecting everything they touch, with the byword
being 'bring your own sandwiches' ? Or even go so far as to have 'immunity passport' flights
and 'non immunity passport' flights.
Then when you arrive at your destination will there be Immunity Passport Hotels and Non Immunity
Passport Hotels and maybe even going so far as having Immunity passport beaches and
non Immunity passport beaches ? | | | | | Immunity passport-such nonsense that it being created!!
The world is rapidly being taken over by dumb technocrats.
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04.05.2020, 21:14
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There will be a market for fake tests, a sort of Trump test certificate , will allow you to access any golf course in the world as long as you pay in advance.
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04.05.2020, 21:22
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Given that less than 1% of world population were confirmed to be infected, that'd be a mighty stupid idea, assuming people travel mostly for tourism, also known as a key contribution to roughly any country's GDP. | | | | | Ah ! but the number of people infected by the virus across the world is rising steadily, as are the number
who have had it and survived as well as ( sadly ) the number of people who have died from the virus.
The lockdowns might have slowed the rate of infections down but it hasn't stopped or eliminated
the threat altogether, as I mentioned further in my post:
Quote:
Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious.
So the world percentage will still climb albeit at a slower rate but until such a time as a vaccine or
an inoculation against the virus is found, then it will always be a threat. This is the unknown
factor and although many are pinning their hopes that a number of trial vaccines will work,
they all remain unproven at this moment in time. | Quote: | |  | | | Also with no viable cure in sight, the number of people infected by the virus and have survived the virus
with ( hopefully ) having been tested thoughout these stages, means those that become immune
will steadly rise in the world. Meaning more people becoming eligible for immunity passports.
Although the great unknown will be how long, months, years, two years or more ?? we will have
to live in the 'new normal' environment.
But it will not go down well with families unless they have all gone down with the virus & survived.
By doing this the world could be slipping back to the 1920/30/40 & 50's class ridden society but determined
by immunity passports from the virus.
Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious. | | | | |
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Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?
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04.05.2020, 21:26
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Ah ! but the number of people infected by the virus across the world is rising steadily, as are the number
who have had it and survived as well as ( sadly ) the number of people who have died from the virus.
The lockdowns might have slowed the rate of infections down but it hasn't stopped or eliminated
the threat altogether, as I mentioned further in my post:
Quote:
Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious.
So the world percentage will still climb albeit at a slower rate but until such a time as a vaccine or
an inoculation against the virus is found, then it will always be a threat. | | | | | Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious.
I dont need a scientist to tell me that.
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04.05.2020, 21:34
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Maximum about 10 times. That's still only 0.1% of the world's population. | | | | | You can't say with any certainty that the max is 10 times, at least 10 times is likely probably more, especially when the French now realise it's been in France since December & it's likely the majority of people show zero or mild symptoms.
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04.05.2020, 21:59
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | But we travel, so asking from anyone a immunity certificate would create a huge bureaucracy. I'm actually curious how could this measure be implemented and if it would make any sense....probably not. | | | | | It wouldn't of course  Most countries don't ask for proof for any immunity (via vaccine or otherwise) for any other disease, many of which are significantly more contagious (Measles, for example). Why would anyone ask for this?
And implementation would be next to impossible, especially in less wealthy countries.
Nonsensical all around. | Quote: | |  | | | The lockdowns might have slowed the rate of infections down but it hasn't stopped or eliminated
the threat altogether, as I mentioned further in my post | | | | | Which wasn't the intention and won't happen either way. | Quote: | |  | | | Ah ! but the number of people infected by the virus across the world is rising steadily, as are the number
who have had it and survived as well as ( sadly ) the number of people who have died from the virus. | | | | | It will hardly rise to 50, 60, 70% of world population. Or actually: if it did, then good going as that would actually mean it will peter out altogether. Alternative: MANY more have been infected than is currently known (very likely), meaning it's contagious, but much less lethal, making it a very limited threat overall. | Quote: | |  | | | You can't say with any certainty that the max is 10 times, at least 10 times is likely probably more, especially when the French now realise it's been in France since December & it's likely the majority of people show zero or mild symptoms. | | | | | Didn't they make a small sample study in the Bronx that showed 30% were infected or something? Need to look it up. Granted, clearly very different social and economic make-up and circumstances, but still intriguing...
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Maximum about 10 times. That's still only 0.1% of the world's population. | | | | | There's no evidence for your assertion that 10 times is the maximum. Its probably more like a minimum...
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04.05.2020, 22:15
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Since last week I've been in a good mood because a lot of things will reopen next Monday 11th of May:
schools: my wife will leave the house and go to work
bars: 
gyms: I've been riding my bike a lot, but I miss the sauna 
family reunification visas for Switzerland: not affected by this one but it's great news for other EFers https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...wFKQksCqORmrak
time to forget about the no lockdown Sweden with higher deaths per million than here. We'll also have no lockdown next week and a lot less dead, what's not to like? | | | | | Funny. Tbh I kind of got used with OH being at home all the time (we won't file for divorce after the quarantine  ), bars - I never frequent, restaurants, gyms - well....I missed having the option to go there, not really the going to restaurants/gym/etc if you can make any sense of this. 
I'm actually not too happy that the schools will re-open so soon, I think it is too early and they based this decision on the hypotesis that kids are less likely to contract the virus, which hasn't been supported by any study as far as I know.
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04.05.2020, 22:20
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | In the unlikely event that English Forum members might like to read this news in English.
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04.05.2020, 22:26
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | You can't say with any certainty that the max is 10 times, at least 10 times is likely probably more, especially when the French now realise it's been in France since December & it's likely the majority of people show zero or mild symptoms. | | | | | This is a problem, not something to be happy about | 
04.05.2020, 22:38
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | It wouldn't of course Most countries don't ask for proof for any immunity (via vaccine or otherwise) for any other disease, many of which are significantly more contagious (Measles, for example). Why would anyone ask for this?
And implementation would be next to impossible, especially in less wealthy countries.
Nonsensical all around.
Which wasn't the intention and won't happen either way.
It will hardly rise to 50, 60, 70% of world population. Or actually: if it did, then good going as that would actually mean it will peter out altogether. Alternative: MANY more have been infected than is currently known (very likely), meaning it's contagious, but much less lethal, making it a very limited threat overall.
Didn't they make a small sample study in the Bronx that showed 30% were infected or something? Need to look it up. Granted, clearly very different social and economic make-up and circumstances, but still intriguing... | | | | | There are currently 45 countries that require travellers to have the International Health Certificate for Yellow Fever Vaccination.
So there is a working system for checking vaccinations in place that could be used.
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04.05.2020, 22:38
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | This is a problem, not something to be happy about | | | | | How so? | Quote: | |  | | | There are currently 45 countries that require travellers to have the International Health Certificate for Yellow Fever Vaccination.
So there is a working system for checking vaccinations in place that could be used. | | | | | So? I've been to several of them, none ever asked for proof that I was vaccinated. That's the point - not whether it's a "requirement", but whether anyone realistically would ever ask and the answer to that is nope.
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | How so?
So? I've been to several of them, none ever asked for proof that I was vaccinated. That's the point - not whether it's a "requirement", but whether anyone realistically would ever ask and the answer to that is nope. | | | | | So you are a lawbreaker; nothing to be proud of.
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