Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #8881  
Old 04.05.2020, 20:18
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,383
Groaned at 413 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 19,323 Times in 10,386 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
1.1 million people have recovered so far. That's 0.01% of the world population. Unless it would drastically change, I think that's a segment too small for separate planes, hotels and restaurants.
It's probably many times more.....
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #8882  
Old 04.05.2020, 20:26
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,041 Times in 1,124 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Since last week I've been in a good mood because a lot of things will reopen next Monday 11th of May:

schools: my wife will leave the house and go to work
bars:
gyms: I've been riding my bike a lot, but I miss the sauna

family reunification visas for Switzerland: not affected by this one but it's great news for other EFers https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...wFKQksCqORmrak

time to forget about the no lockdown Sweden with higher deaths per million than here. We'll also have no lockdown next week and a lot less dead, what's not to like?
Yes. Good to get the wife out from under your feet
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post:
  #8883  
Old 04.05.2020, 20:34
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,748
Groaned at 430 Times in 371 Posts
Thanked 17,822 Times in 9,516 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

It is no worse than flu
Quote:
The Trump administration is projecting that the United States could see up to 3,000 deaths per day from the coronavirus by June 1, a person familiar with internal documents confirmed to The Hill on Monday.

The projections show the U.S. reaching 200,000 new cases daily by June 1 with a daily death toll of roughly 3,000. The number of daily cases peaked in late April at just over 30,000. The current daily death toll varies, but typically falls between 1,500 and 2,000.
Source

This, of course, takes account of the states to begin to ease stay-at-home orders.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #8884  
Old 04.05.2020, 20:44
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 212
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 173 Times in 89 Posts
jimk is considered knowledgeablejimk is considered knowledgeablejimk is considered knowledgeable
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
All this talk of immunity passports and those that have been tested positive & proved to have survived
the virus & therefore assumed to be safe from reinfestion becoming 'a new class of citizen' in the post
lockdown world; when we all emerge into 'the new normal' for however long it takes before a vaccine
or an inoculation against the virus is perfected.

Will Restaurants and bars become divided between immunity passport customers and non immunitity
passport customers; like we had smoking and non smoking areas in bars & restaurants of the past
as well as 1st, 2nd and 3rd class carriages back in the days of steam trains.

On planes - will 'immunity passport passengers' enjoy Business class travel with few restrictions
while those who've never had the virus, have to travel in people distancing sections of the aircraft,
complete with masks, gloves and stewardesses disinfecting everything they touch, with the byword
being 'bring your own sandwiches' ? Or even go so far as to have 'immunity passport' flights
and 'non immunity passport' flights.

Then when you arrive at your destination will there be Immunity Passport Hotels and Non Immunity
Passport Hotels and maybe even going so far as having Immunity passport beaches and
non Immunity passport beaches ?
Well more likely non-immunity-passports won't be admitted into the country at all...
Reply With Quote
  #8885  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:00
Samaire13's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CH
Posts: 4,361
Groaned at 128 Times in 102 Posts
Thanked 7,258 Times in 2,761 Posts
Samaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Well more likely non-immunity-passports won't be admitted into the country at all...
Given that less than 1% of world population were confirmed to be infected, that'd be a mighty stupid idea, assuming people travel mostly for tourism, also known as a key contribution to roughly any country's GDP.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Samaire13 for this useful post:
  #8886  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:12
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,215
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,338 Times in 3,358 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
It's probably many times more.....
Maximum about 10 times. That's still only 0.1% of the world's population.
Reply With Quote
  #8887  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:14
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 9,773
Groaned at 330 Times in 270 Posts
Thanked 14,148 Times in 7,291 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Given that less than 1% of world population were confirmed to be infected, that'd be a mighty stupid idea, assuming people travel mostly for tourism, also known as a key contribution to roughly any country's GDP.
Lol, no. My home country for instance has almost no income from tourism (I mean tourists coming from abroad, internal tourism - yes, and I hope there will be a lot more after corona because we have a very beautiful country). Well, nothing worth mentioning, really. But we travel, so asking from anyone a immunity certificate would create a huge bureaucracy. I'm actually curious how could this measure be implemented and if it would make any sense....probably not.
Reply With Quote
  #8888  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:14
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,041 Times in 1,124 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
All this talk of immunity passports and those that have been tested positive & proved to have survived
the virus & therefore assumed to be safe from reinfestion becoming 'a new class of citizen' in the post
lockdown world; when we all emerge into 'the new normal' for however long it takes before a vaccine
or an inoculation against the virus is perfected.

Will Restaurants and bars become divided between immunity passport customers and non immunitity
passport customers; like we had smoking and non smoking areas in bars & restaurants of the past
as well as 1st, 2nd and 3rd class carriages back in the days of steam trains.

On planes - will 'immunity passport passengers' enjoy Business class travel with few restrictions
while those who've never had the virus, have to travel in people distancing sections of the aircraft,
complete with masks, gloves and stewardesses disinfecting everything they touch, with the byword
being 'bring your own sandwiches' ? Or even go so far as to have 'immunity passport' flights
and 'non immunity passport' flights.

Then when you arrive at your destination will there be Immunity Passport Hotels and Non Immunity
Passport Hotels and maybe even going so far as having Immunity passport beaches and
non Immunity passport beaches ?
Immunity passport-such nonsense that it being created!!

The world is rapidly being taken over by dumb technocrats.
Reply With Quote
  #8889  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:14
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Risch
Posts: 726
Groaned at 35 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 786 Times in 401 Posts
KiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

There will be a market for fake tests, a sort of Trump test certificate , will allow you to access any golf course in the world as long as you pay in advance.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank KiwiSteve for this useful post:
  #8890  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:22
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Zurich
Posts: 330
Groaned at 35 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 763 Times in 391 Posts
John William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond reputeJohn William has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Given that less than 1% of world population were confirmed to be infected, that'd be a mighty stupid idea, assuming people travel mostly for tourism, also known as a key contribution to roughly any country's GDP.
Ah ! but the number of people infected by the virus across the world is rising steadily, as are the number
who have had it and survived as well as ( sadly ) the number of people who have died from the virus.

The lockdowns might have slowed the rate of infections down but it hasn't stopped or eliminated
the threat altogether, as I mentioned further in my post:

Quote:
Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious.

So the world percentage will still climb albeit at a slower rate but until such a time as a vaccine or
an inoculation against the virus is found, then it will always be a threat. This is the unknown
factor and although many are pinning their hopes that a number of trial vaccines will work,
they all remain unproven at this moment in time.

Quote:
View Post
Also with no viable cure in sight, the number of people infected by the virus and have survived the virus
with ( hopefully ) having been tested thoughout these stages, means those that become immune
will steadly rise in the world. Meaning more people becoming eligible for immunity passports.
Although the great unknown will be how long, months, years, two years or more ?? we will have
to live in the 'new normal' environment.

But it will not go down well with families unless they have all gone down with the virus & survived.

By doing this the world could be slipping back to the 1920/30/40 & 50's class ridden society but determined
by immunity passports from the virus.

Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious.
__________________
Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?
Reply With Quote
  #8891  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:26
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,041 Times in 1,124 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Ah ! but the number of people infected by the virus across the world is rising steadily, as are the number
who have had it and survived as well as ( sadly ) the number of people who have died from the virus.

The lockdowns might have slowed the rate of infections down but it hasn't stopped or eliminated
the threat altogether, as I mentioned further in my post:

Quote:
Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious.

So the world percentage will still climb albeit at a slower rate but until such a time as a vaccine or
an inoculation against the virus is found, then it will always be a threat.
Many scientists have said that we cannot hide from the virus forever and that we will all be
infected by it eventually, although hopefully a cure or an inoculation will be found before
it gets too serious.


I dont need a scientist to tell me that.
Reply With Quote
  #8892  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:34
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,383
Groaned at 413 Times in 307 Posts
Thanked 19,323 Times in 10,386 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Maximum about 10 times. That's still only 0.1% of the world's population.
You can't say with any certainty that the max is 10 times, at least 10 times is likely probably more, especially when the French now realise it's been in France since December & it's likely the majority of people show zero or mild symptoms.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #8893  
Old 04.05.2020, 21:59
Samaire13's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CH
Posts: 4,361
Groaned at 128 Times in 102 Posts
Thanked 7,258 Times in 2,761 Posts
Samaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
But we travel, so asking from anyone a immunity certificate would create a huge bureaucracy. I'm actually curious how could this measure be implemented and if it would make any sense....probably not.
It wouldn't of course Most countries don't ask for proof for any immunity (via vaccine or otherwise) for any other disease, many of which are significantly more contagious (Measles, for example). Why would anyone ask for this?

And implementation would be next to impossible, especially in less wealthy countries.

Nonsensical all around.

Quote:
The lockdowns might have slowed the rate of infections down but it hasn't stopped or eliminated
the threat altogether, as I mentioned further in my post
Which wasn't the intention and won't happen either way.

Quote:
Ah ! but the number of people infected by the virus across the world is rising steadily, as are the number
who have had it and survived as well as ( sadly ) the number of people who have died from the virus.
It will hardly rise to 50, 60, 70% of world population. Or actually: if it did, then good going as that would actually mean it will peter out altogether. Alternative: MANY more have been infected than is currently known (very likely), meaning it's contagious, but much less lethal, making it a very limited threat overall.

Quote:
View Post
You can't say with any certainty that the max is 10 times, at least 10 times is likely probably more, especially when the French now realise it's been in France since December & it's likely the majority of people show zero or mild symptoms.
Didn't they make a small sample study in the Bronx that showed 30% were infected or something? Need to look it up. Granted, clearly very different social and economic make-up and circumstances, but still intriguing...
Reply With Quote
  #8894  
Old 04.05.2020, 22:12
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Maximum about 10 times. That's still only 0.1% of the world's population.
There's no evidence for your assertion that 10 times is the maximum. Its probably more like a minimum...
Reply With Quote
  #8895  
Old 04.05.2020, 22:15
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 9,773
Groaned at 330 Times in 270 Posts
Thanked 14,148 Times in 7,291 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Since last week I've been in a good mood because a lot of things will reopen next Monday 11th of May:

schools: my wife will leave the house and go to work
bars:
gyms: I've been riding my bike a lot, but I miss the sauna

family reunification visas for Switzerland: not affected by this one but it's great news for other EFers https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...wFKQksCqORmrak

time to forget about the no lockdown Sweden with higher deaths per million than here. We'll also have no lockdown next week and a lot less dead, what's not to like?
Funny. Tbh I kind of got used with OH being at home all the time (we won't file for divorce after the quarantine ), bars - I never frequent, restaurants, gyms - well....I missed having the option to go there, not really the going to restaurants/gym/etc if you can make any sense of this.
I'm actually not too happy that the schools will re-open so soon, I think it is too early and they based this decision on the hypotesis that kids are less likely to contract the virus, which hasn't been supported by any study as far as I know.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #8896  
Old 04.05.2020, 22:20
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,748
Groaned at 430 Times in 371 Posts
Thanked 17,822 Times in 9,516 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
First case of corona in France was 27th of December, a local man who didn't travel. That is 1 month before the official first case in France.

As it seems the virus is spread much more than some people think...

https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/un-...bondy-20200503
In the unlikely event that English Forum members might like to read this news in English.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #8897  
Old 04.05.2020, 22:26
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Risch
Posts: 726
Groaned at 35 Times in 21 Posts
Thanked 786 Times in 401 Posts
KiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond reputeKiwiSteve has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
You can't say with any certainty that the max is 10 times, at least 10 times is likely probably more, especially when the French now realise it's been in France since December & it's likely the majority of people show zero or mild symptoms.
This is a problem, not something to be happy about
Reply With Quote
  #8898  
Old 04.05.2020, 22:38
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,748
Groaned at 430 Times in 371 Posts
Thanked 17,822 Times in 9,516 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
It wouldn't of course Most countries don't ask for proof for any immunity (via vaccine or otherwise) for any other disease, many of which are significantly more contagious (Measles, for example). Why would anyone ask for this?

And implementation would be next to impossible, especially in less wealthy countries.

Nonsensical all around.

Which wasn't the intention and won't happen either way.

It will hardly rise to 50, 60, 70% of world population. Or actually: if it did, then good going as that would actually mean it will peter out altogether. Alternative: MANY more have been infected than is currently known (very likely), meaning it's contagious, but much less lethal, making it a very limited threat overall.

Didn't they make a small sample study in the Bronx that showed 30% were infected or something? Need to look it up. Granted, clearly very different social and economic make-up and circumstances, but still intriguing...
There are currently 45 countries that require travellers to have the International Health Certificate for Yellow Fever Vaccination.
So there is a working system for checking vaccinations in place that could be used.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #8899  
Old 04.05.2020, 22:38
Samaire13's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CH
Posts: 4,361
Groaned at 128 Times in 102 Posts
Thanked 7,258 Times in 2,761 Posts
Samaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
This is a problem, not something to be happy about
How so?

Quote:
View Post
There are currently 45 countries that require travellers to have the International Health Certificate for Yellow Fever Vaccination.
So there is a working system for checking vaccinations in place that could be used.
So? I've been to several of them, none ever asked for proof that I was vaccinated. That's the point - not whether it's a "requirement", but whether anyone realistically would ever ask and the answer to that is nope.

Last edited by Samaire13; 04.05.2020 at 22:49.
Reply With Quote
  #8900  
Old 04.05.2020, 22:44
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,748
Groaned at 430 Times in 371 Posts
Thanked 17,822 Times in 9,516 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
How so?



So? I've been to several of them, none ever asked for proof that I was vaccinated. That's the point - not whether it's a "requirement", but whether anyone realistically would ever ask and the answer to that is nope.
So you are a lawbreaker; nothing to be proud of.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cold, corona, coronavirus, covid, covid-19, flu, health, medical, virus




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 7 (0 members and 7 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:40.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0