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You've got direct democracy here.
Instead of moaning about the lock-down on every post you post here, why don't you exercise your democratic right?

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The lockdown is beginning to lift in Switzerland on Monday?
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Normally people keep 2 metre distance from me. So it's nothing new!
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Old 05.05.2020, 11:54
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Yeah you're right. I added a comment above on that. I do believe the tides are turning - slowly, but they are. You see more and more critical voices. My guess is they will become louder in the next 2-3 weeks. And as you say, once the majority sees the real consequences of this - most of all unemployment and financial implications - they loud voices will become screams at some point. They always do. There's only so much people are willing to accept in so-called free countries.
I'd guess they'll be a polite kind of screams around here.

It's just a health crisis followed by an economic crisis, not any post-apocalyptic fantasy. We were not there, but ebola also implied isolating people, staying at home, a bit of paranoia, etc. Last economic crisis was on 2008, we have not forgotten about it, the fall, the recovery, right?
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I think the point was that countries may have an entry requirement of proof of vaccination for COVID-19, when one becomes available.





You've got direct democracy here.
Instead of moaning about the lock-down on every post you post here, why don't you exercise your democratic right?

Don't you just hate keyboard warriors.
Yeahhh. Fick the lockdown
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The lockdown is beginning to lift in Switzerland on Monday?
People will still have to keep physical distance, wear masks in certain places, no bigger than 5 groups etc etc

I guess re-opening businesses will depend on how much can every business adapt to the new rules, which is obvious that they must be respected by each of us if we don't want a new lockdown again.


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The lockdown was necessary. It's all in The Plan

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Only 28 new cases today!
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One of the big concerns regarding 'Immunity passports' is that there will be many people who will try and get infected so they can get the passport - and so reap the benefits outlined above of having one.
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a black market will spring up for this... pay 50 bucks and get infected
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There's only so much people are willing to accept in so-called free countries.
Swiss polling has continuously shown strong support for the Lockdown measures. Same in most of Europe as far as I can see.

Actually even in the US the polling I have seen supports restrictions.
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Old 05.05.2020, 12:03
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People will still have to keep physical distance, wear masks in certain places, no bigger than 5 groups etc etc

I guess re-opening businesses will depend on how much can every business adapt to the new rules, which is obvious that they must be respected by each of us if we don't want a new lockdown again.
I don't think there is anyone who isn't advocating social distancing, this however is a far cry from a lockdown, hard or soft.

As we move out of lockdown I think the debate will move onto removing travel restrictions. How are countries who are so reliant on tourism expected to survive without travel? On the other hand, it is impossible to have social distancing on flights.

I think at some point people are going to have to accept that this virus is a fact of life, and something we're just going to have to accept and live with.
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You've got direct democracy here.
Instead of moaning about the lock-down on every post you post here, why don't you exercise your democratic right?

Regarding the current COVID-19 measures, which democratic right can you actually exercise? For example, by the time a referendum about the measures would probably be outdated before it could be organized.
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The lowdown was necessary. It's all in The Plan
Yes.

I heard that Gucci new summer collection is now accessorised with tinfoil hats for both men and women. Might want to check it out. It's a riot I tell 'ya.
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Old 05.05.2020, 12:09
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a black market will spring up for this... pay 50 bucks and get infected
It's just like illegal drugs. The best possible outcome is that you get what is offerer and not an even deadlier byproduct. It would be a shame if you get hepatitis instead of covid19. That's how black markets work
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Old 05.05.2020, 12:15
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Only 28 new cases today!
The usual low weekend numbers, mostly results of tests done Sundays. Just 3653 test were done instead of the ~5300 on weekdays. As in the previous weeks expect much higher numbers in the coming few days when normal weekday testing resumes and those results and numbers make it all the way to the BAG.
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Old 05.05.2020, 12:25
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But Spain and Greece in particular are a bit screwed.
So is the UK for that matter, which is why they're promoting the possibility of 'staycations'. UK tourism accounts for just under 10% of GDP. Surprisingly, tourism only accounts for 18% of the Greek economy. I'm watching the Greek side carefully because it's the summer income that keeps things going throughout winter for many, but everyone I know personally in Greek tourism also has a winter job. Just off the top of my head, 3 small hotel owners I know have winter jobs as a dentist, a medical machinery salesperson and a PR agent, so their annual income is never entirely dependent upon their summer income.

Greece is hoping to open it's tourism on 1 July as part of a 3 point plan...
https://www.ekathimerini.com/252332/...arting-tourism

I just wonder how individual islands will react and respond as some have been virtually untouched. The outbreak on Mykonos for example, was caused by an asymptomatic priest breaking lockdown to give communion which infected 5 parishioners.
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Old 05.05.2020, 12:35
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Related to raising the voice during these times, some acquaintances were supporting this movement here in Switzerland, FWIW https://callofmay4.ch/

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«For a local and sustainable humanist revival»
On the day of the reopening of parliament, let us unite to make our elected representatives hear the desire to see a different, more humane and sustainable future emerge.

Since the beginning of semi-confinement, our lives and habits have changed drastically. We all have had experiences out of the ordinary questioning our way of life and our values, sometimes with pain, but also with the joy of a strengthened social bond and renewed contact with nature.

Maybe I have something broken inside. I did not question my way of life and my values during the last 2 months. I just remembered all those times I stayed at home waiting for bones to heal. At least this time I had no medication, thus I could drink anything
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Old 05.05.2020, 12:36
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The lockdown is beginning to lift in Switzerland on Monday?
Ah let him be, he loves to bitch at me (and others) and preferably groan too, I've stopped reacting a long time ago. He is allowed to believe whatever he wants to believe.

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The usual low weekend numbers, mostly results of tests done Sundays. Just 3653 test were done instead of the ~5300 on weekdays. As in the previous weeks expect much higher numbers in the coming few days when normal weekday testing resumes and those results and numbers make it all the way to the BAG.
Or maybe more tests are no longer necessary as the few thousand active cases (less than 5k) are in quarantine and the rest of the population shows zero symptoms? In %age, this is now a rate of less than 1% of all tested yesterday - an all-time low. I don't really understand such posts. First it was "Easter wave will come". It didn't. Now the numbers of new infections is basically negligible - anything below 100-150 is - though of course still subject to some up and down (and that's not something to freak out over, it's simply normal), yet the reaction is still "oh but here's why and it will all get bad again"? The last time there were more than 200 infections a day was 2.5 weeks ago and infection rates in relation to daily tests were at a very low 2.5-3.5%. How is that not a good thing? Maybe what everyone has been so supportive of did work or at least contributed to an effective stop of this in Switzerland at least? Wasn't that the whole point? If we were told to believe the dramatic daily numbers and everyone trusted them, why do we now not believe the non-dramatic daily numbers and trust them? As I posted a few pages back, how about some positive reactions here?
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The usual low weekend numbers, mostly results of tests done Sundays. Just 3653 test were done instead of the ~5300 on weekdays. As in the previous weeks expect much higher numbers in the coming few days when normal weekday testing resumes and those results and numbers make it all the way to the BAG.

Think positive and enjoy the low number! The weather is already bad enough today
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How so?



So? I've been to several of them, none ever asked for proof that I was vaccinated. That's the point - not whether it's a "requirement", but whether anyone realistically would ever ask and the answer to that is nope.
Well, in the current climate I suspect more will as restrictions are eased. Husband's company certainly think so; they've come up with a vaccination passport that can't be faked.
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The usual low weekend numbers, mostly results of tests done Sundays. Just 3653 test were done instead of the ~5300 on weekdays. As in the previous weeks expect much higher numbers in the coming few days when normal weekday testing resumes and those results and numbers make it all the way to the BAG.
Even so, proportionatley that would only take the numbers up to 35 or so.
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