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More developments taking place with the immunity passports - called Health passports

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Tech firms are in talks with British ministers about creating health passports
to help Britons return safely to work using coronavirus testing and facial recognition.
Facial biometrics could be used to help provide a digital certificate – sometimes known
as an immunity passport – proving which workers have had Covid-19, as a possible way
of easing the impact on the economy and businesses from ongoing physical distancing
even after current lockdown measures are eased.

The Guardian - Tech firms say health passports could be ready in months
The combination of facial recognition and medical data is scary.
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Old 05.05.2020, 21:19
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the final solution would be to tatoo-barcode everyone, on the forehead
...or somewhat prophetically the figures 666??
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Old 05.05.2020, 21:52
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Tech firms are in talks with ministers about creating health passports to help Britons return safely to work using coronavirus testing and facial recognition.
Most of us have received a marketing call offering from health insurance to 3rd pillar savings. Government organizations are no different, they also unrequested offers all the time.

The translation of the first line of the article from corporate speak to plain English could be: desperate employee of tech company uses The Guardian to make the company look more interesting that it is. Just another case of fake it till you make it.

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The UK-based firm Onfido, which specialises in verifying people’s identities using facial biometrics, has delivered detailed plans to the government and is involved in a number of conversations about what could be rolled out across the country, it is understood.
Any sales job is about delivering detailed plans to the client and involved in a number of conversations. Only a few offers end in a sale. I wouldn't worry about about facial biometrics, this is just a sad attempt of pumping up the valuation of the tech company.

PS. I was surprised the pumped solution did not required a blockchain
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... I was surprised the pumped solution did not required a blockchain
well we're laughing now but those barcodes (ok, facial recognition) could be waiting for us just 'round the corner...
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Old 05.05.2020, 22:46
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One of the big concerns regarding 'Immunity passports' is that there will be many people who will try and get infected so they can get the passport - and so reap the benefits outlined above of having one.
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There will be a market for fake tests, a sort of Trump test certificate , will allow you to access any golf course in the world as long as you pay in advance.
It doesn't even need to be a test. You can buy fake passports fairly easily in certain countries, what's to say you can't just buy a certificate, no test needed?
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The law of supply and demand applies. Pricing doesn’t involve extortion but what the punter is prepared to pay.

If an airline prices too high, they spill passengers. If they price too low they spill revenue. There is always a magic number in there, and finding it may be difficult, but the airlines have been doing it for years. Some get it right, and they prosper. Some get it wrong and they disappear.
I find it interesting that Warren Buffett/Berkshire Hathaway has divested all of his/their shares in airlines as he believes that industry will have a tough recovery and will probably not recover. PS Berkshire is sitting on a boat load of cash which tells me that the markets are not at the nadir.

Given that many airlines - riding "the good times" for the last 7-8 years, chose to buy back shares instead of retaining cash reserves in a very cyclical industry, well, I have no sympathy for most airlines - American Airlines in particular. All they did, was pad their own pockets.
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Old 05.05.2020, 23:31
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Re: Coronavirus

Interesting piece here about lockdown vs liberty (American perspective, but still applies to other places as well):

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/04/22...Ny_ZwoZCAA10mU
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Old 06.05.2020, 00:16
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The basic issue is that a large chunk of the population (not only in the US) neither understands nor believes in science.

They live in some sort of alternative world where perceptions and fact-free conspiracy theories rule. They all have a vote so have a powerful influence.

This despite compulsory education for many years. So is it a failure of the curriculum, or of the teachers or where?
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Old 06.05.2020, 01:06
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I know I don't have to go to bar, but I'm parched thinking about a pint of Guinness
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@3Wishes

The basic issue is that a large chunk of the population (not only in the US) neither understands nor believes in science.

They live in some sort of alternative world where perceptions and fact-free conspiracy theories rule. They all have a vote so have a powerful influence.

This despite compulsory education for many years. So is it a failure of the curriculum, or of the teachers or where?
nerds ain't cool
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Old 06.05.2020, 08:02
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No, I didn't. It's about the democratic rights regarding the lock down. I don't think there is anything you can do about it. You can only influence the next pandemy or lock down.
There is no lock down in Switzerland. Only a shut down.
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Old 06.05.2020, 08:15
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@3Wishes

The basic issue is that a large chunk of the population (not only in the US) neither understands nor believes in science.

They live in some sort of alternative world where perceptions and fact-free conspiracy theories rule. They all have a vote so have a powerful influence.

This despite compulsory education for many years. So is it a failure of the curriculum, or of the teachers or where?
Do you have any credible link?
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Old 06.05.2020, 08:27
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Do you have any credible link?
Science just makes our life a bit more comfortable. Other than that it has not given any answers to fundamental questions
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Old 06.05.2020, 09:00
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Science just makes our life a bit more comfortable. Other than that it has not given any answers to fundamental questions
Oh honey...... Just no.
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Swiss polling has continuously shown strong support for the Lockdown measures. Same in most of Europe as far as I can see.

Actually even in the US the polling I have seen supports restrictions.
Interesting study in the Tagi. Not a statistically valid study - self-selected sample plus being the Tagi I guess the SVP will be a little under-represented (the last being a perfectly good idea imo). Results show their readership massively supporting the shutdown (81% plus another 7% thought it didn't go far enough) plus 65% finding the opening too fast.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/was-les...n-729263896677

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If the hot waitress next week in the cafe asks for your phone number its not because she wants a date!
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Old 06.05.2020, 09:45
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Researchers in Britain wrote in a report published Tuesday in the journal Infection, Genetics, and Evolution that they examined samples taken at different times and from different places, concluding that the virus first began infecting people late last year.

The study indicated that infections in the U.S. and Europe specifically could have occurred weeks or months before the first official cases were reported in January and February.
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Edit: this upsets the conventional wisdom that the virus rolled out from China to Europe and the US so maybe there was a more complex distribution.
It also rather upsets the US case against China that they did not do enough to limit the spread if the spread already occurred before the virus was identified.
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Science just makes our life a bit more comfortable. Other than that it has not given any answers to fundamental questions
Well, it puts enough food in our bellies, helps to keep water drinkable and air breathable. Is there something more fundamental than these? One only starts to think about meaning, deities or whatever after a good meal
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Edit: this upsets the conventional wisdom that the virus rolled out from China to Europe and the US so maybe there was a more complex distribution.
It also rather upsets the US case against China that they did not do enough to limit the spread if the spread already occurred before the virus was identified.
Given that the first recorded corona case in China is 1 December, genetic studies show that it likely dates back to mid-late November, and the earliest isolated Western case (to my knowledge) is between Christmas and New Year, I'm not sure I see any significant probability it originated outside China.

In fact it's verging on fake news tbh.

I entirely agree about the latter point.
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Old 06.05.2020, 10:34
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Given that many airlines - riding "the good times" for the last 7-8 years, chose to buy back shares instead of retaining cash reserves in a very cyclical industry, well, I have no sympathy for most airlines - American Airlines in particular. All they did, was pad their own pockets.
Not all of them, those who were state-operated not but then they got bankrupt.

(I agree with your sentiment btw)

Now we have the peculiar situation that companies with tradition in aviation are bankrupt or semi-bankrupt, if they still exist at all by some miracle, but the private ones ask for state subventions and bailouts.....
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