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Old 06.05.2020, 13:44
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Important for economy is also how long things last, Switzerland has excellent numbers over the last days, if we keep the numbers low while unlocking things we might have our economy mostly up and running in not to long. And with the current numbers would you rather spend a holiday in Switzerland or in Sweden?

Sweden might have less restrictions, but many things are closed or lack enough people to be viable, it never really had a culture of visiting restaurants often, tourism is down completely, and if it last much longer than here they might in the end have a harder or equally hard hit on economy and have much more deaths.
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Old 06.05.2020, 15:07
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I don't know what world you're living in, I've been working and so have most people I know, most from home, some in the office, some in customer facing roles.

Surely you meant to say 'customer face masking roles' at the end ?
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Old 06.05.2020, 15:09
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Surely you meant to say 'customer face masking roles' at the end ?
Well they're not applying the masks to the customers, but they are hiding behind plexiglass now. So customer barrier roles?
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Old 06.05.2020, 15:55
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Denmark's infectious diseases agency has said the country can safely open up shops, restaurants, upper secondary schools, and workplaces -- so long as people continue to follow social distancing and hygiene guidelines.
So lock down wasn't needed in the first place?

I'm starting to be surprised how correct I've been all along
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Old 06.05.2020, 15:56
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So lock down wasn't needed in the first place?

I'm starting to be surprised how correct I've been all along
I'm surprised by your dumbness, and even more surprised that you're still allowed to express it here.
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Old 06.05.2020, 16:02
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I think its fair to say that it would have been better to react earlier, and less overbearingly.

The asian countries haven't locked down, and the fact we have is only indicative of a failure to manage the disease properly. Lockdown should never have been part of the plan.
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Old 06.05.2020, 16:08
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I think its fair to say that it would have been better to react earlier, and less overbearingly.

The asian countries haven't locked down, and the fact we have is only indicative of a failure to manage the disease properly. Lockdown should never have been part of the plan.
There have been a decent amount of lock-downs and restrictions in Asia.
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Old 06.05.2020, 16:19
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There have been a decent amount of lock-downs and restrictions in Asia.
Speaking of which, I spoke with several friends in Singapore and the second lockdown there has been quite punitive. They now feel as though they are living in a "police state" as the government there is employing "social distancing ambassadors" to chastise and/or issue fines to those who are not wearing a mask or not practicing social distancing. One is only excused from wearing a mask if he/she is exercising (and a leisurely stroll does not count!).

My friends tell me these "ambassadors" dressed in red shirts are everywhere.
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Old 06.05.2020, 16:22
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So lock down wasn't needed in the first place?

I'm starting to be surprised how correct I've been all along
Whether you are right or wrong remains to be seen but your posting style leaves a lot to be desired.
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Old 06.05.2020, 17:18
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So lock down wasn't needed in the first place?
I can't begin to understand how, at the start of this, you thought you were qualified to make that kind of statement.


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Do you realise that 'Hindsight' isn't a recognised scientific method?
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Old 06.05.2020, 17:20
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So lock down wasn't needed in the first place?...
Please show me where is says that.

Lockdown was needed to bring the cases down to a more manageable level. Now they are there hopefully we can live with lesser restrictions. Although that still remains to be seen.
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Old 06.05.2020, 17:32
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Speaking of which, I spoke with several friends in Singapore and the second lockdown there has been quite punitive. They now feel as though they are living in a "police state" as the government there is employing "social distancing ambassadors" to chastise and/or issue fines to those who are not wearing a mask or not practicing social distancing. One is only excused from wearing a mask if he/she is exercising (and a leisurely stroll does not count!).

My friends tell me these "ambassadors" dressed in red shirts are everywhere.
Well... That's not THAT unusual for Singapore, there are elements of that even under normal circumstances.

And it's not the only country that is becoming more of a police state or generally more authoritarian, something that was predicted by many two months ago already. Of course some people will leverage this situation to abuse their power, whatever that power may be exactly.
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Well... That's not THAT unusual for Singapore, there are elements of that even under normal circumstances.

And it's not the only country that is becoming more of a police state or generally more authoritarian, something that was predicted by many two months ago already. Of course some people will leverage this situation to abuse their power, whatever that power may be exactly.
Well, during Singapore's first "soft" lockdown, restaurants, clubs, libraries and hair salons remained open. Temperatures were taken at public establishments and masks were advised but not mandatory. Everything appeared to be contained - EXCEPT - most living there assumed that their "efficient" government had tested the worker dormitories (and given the population density in those dormitories, that would have been a logical deduction!) Sadly, this was not the case and the majority of new cases now stem from these dormitories.

The Sing Government even has an app for all to download and take photos of those violating social distancing and mask measures
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Old 06.05.2020, 18:24
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I think its fair to say that it would have been better to react earlier, and less overbearingly.

The asian countries haven't locked down, and the fact we have is only indicative of a failure to manage the disease properly. Lockdown should never have been part of the plan.
Where is "here"? No lockdown in Switzerland!
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Old 06.05.2020, 18:38
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Where is "here"? No lockdown in Switzerland!

Ok, for the EF experts maybe not but the rest of the country refers to it as a lockdown, as per the google search results.



https://www.google.ch/search?ei=5-ay...4dUDCAs&uact=5


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Die vom Bund angeordnete Schliessung aller Läden (ausser Lebensmittel), Märkte, Restaurants, Bars sowie Unterhaltungs- und Freizeitbetriebe, Schulen,[8] Universitäten und Gotteshäuser[9] sowie die empfohlene Schutzmassnahme, möglichst «zu Hause zu bleiben», werden in den Medien als Lockdown bezeichnet.[10]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...in_der_Schweiz
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Old 06.05.2020, 18:49
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Please show me where is says that.

Lockdown was needed to bring the cases down to a more manageable level. Now they are there hopefully we can live with lesser restrictions. Although that still remains to be seen.
Many of the hospitals had nothing to do besides posting Tiktok videos anyway.

I'd be against the lockdown in principle but to be honest it's been pretty cruisy hanging out with my kids and still getting paid 80%
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Old 06.05.2020, 19:01
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Ok, for the EF experts maybe not but the rest of the country refers to it as a lockdown, as per the google search results.



https://www.google.ch/search?ei=5-ay...4dUDCAs&uact=5


And as per Wikipedia

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...in_der_Schweiz
I agree the term "lockdown" is not well defined.
There is no national quarantine in Switzerland.
For me, so long as we are not forbidden to leave our homes for so long as we want to and to travel anywhere in the country without fear of punishment then we are not in lockdown.
So far as I understand there is no suppression of constitutional rights here unlike in some other countries.
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Old 06.05.2020, 19:08
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The Arizona Department of Health Services reportedly told a team of academic health experts to "pause" their work on models and projections for the coronavirus outbreak.

S. Robert Bailey, bureau chief of public health statistics for the state agency, wrote in an email to the researchers that his department would no longer be providing access to special data sets that the team had been utilizing for its models.

The modeling team in Arizona consists of about 24 professors from Arizona State University and the University of Arizona. Their models reportedly projected that confirmed coronavirus cases would dramatically increase in Arizona unless the state delayed reopening until late May.
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Arizona, like other Republican majority states, is following Trump's lead in his desperate attempt to restart the US economy to support his reelection hopes regardless of the cost in American lives.
Likely this will cost multiple times the 9/11 deaths.
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Old 06.05.2020, 19:11
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Many of the hospitals had nothing to do besides posting Tiktok videos anyway.

I'd be against the lockdown in principle but to be honest it's been pretty cruisy hanging out with my kids and still getting paid 80%
Exactly, the strategy in Switzerland to minimise the impact on hospitals was very successful.
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Old 06.05.2020, 20:06
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I'm surprised by your dumbness, and even more surprised that you're still allowed to express it here.
Hope the mods will give it a rest, it makes a mockery of this forum, if it wasn't already compromised countless of times.

Let's see who has the courage or the willingness to do something.

Btw, there were people banned here for far less....
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