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SiL works in one and all resident-facing workers had protective gear (kitchen staff not but there not needed..2m rule had to be observed). Visits were completely banned until last Monday, now they are allowed with 2m distancing.

Not sure what the protocol was if an infection happened as so far they haven't had one.
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Sorry, but what is "SiL" ?
Do you know what type of protective gear?

When did the ban start for visiting the elders?

If an elder in the elderly home is suspected of having COVID-19, is he/she transported to the hospital? or do they let the elders stay in the elderly home to die?
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Old 07.05.2020, 09:59
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France intended to order their health workers stay home already, IIRC around the end of March, without action from the Swiss side. It took major intervention to keep that from happening.
You got source on this?
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:02
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Will come out at some point but hasnít yet at a large scale.

There was brief mention yesterday that in one Swiss canton, all except one deaths (granted overall it was only 12), occurred in the same care home.

I expect many more of such clusters to have happened, in Switzerland and elsewhere.

Sweden certainly was 100% honest in this respect by saying: we didnít protect care homes quickly enough.

On another note, the Swiss parliament had a post-session party yesterday for some 50-100 folks. Bit of a water-wine situation going on there...

Well the UK currently has the highest number of deaths in Europe at over
30,000 but of course the UK is also including in the tally; the number of
people who have died in Care Homes and Residential Homes ( which wasn't
included at first in their daily briefings but is included now )

BBC - UK becomes the 1st Country in Europe to pass 30,000 deaths from the virus

Therefore the UK is giving a clearer picture on the scale of the Pandemic
in the UK while many other European countries are still only counting the
number of Hospital deaths in their daily tally.
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:07
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Well the UK currently has the highest number of deaths in Europe at over
30,000 but of course the UK is also including in the tally; the number of
people who have died in Care Homes and Residential Homes ( which wasn't
included at first in their daily briefings but is included now )

BBC - UK becomes the 1st Country in Europe to pass 30,000 deaths from the virus

Therefore the UK is giving a clearer picture on the scale of the Pandemic
in the UK while many other European countries are still only counting the
number of Hospital deaths in their daily tally.

I heard (on the radio a few times) that eventually they can get a better idea of the Covid death count by comparing seasonal/expected deaths to actual deaths.
If every country does that then (more reasonable) comparisons can be made between countries and strategies.
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Sorry, but what is "SiL" ?
Sister in Law.
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:08
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You got source on this?
You'll find it quoted and linked (not by me) earlier in this thread.
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:12
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I heard (on the radio a few times) that eventually they can get a better idea of the Covid death count by comparing seasonal/expected deaths to actual deaths.
If every country does that then (more reasonable) comparisons can be made between countries and strategies.
That was already done for New York.
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Sobering ain't it! (no worse than flu )
Yawn. A one trick pony.
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:22
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As I recall, excess deaths in the UK compared to the last five year average is (was?) over 6000 a week. Double the usual, IIRC.

Anyone know the figures for Switzerland?
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:26
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That was already done for New York.
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The spike is bad, no question. In a few months/years we'll see if there is a noticable trend above/below the average and then we'll have a better overview.

There will be studies done for years after this, but there is a more complete data set required.
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As I recall, excess deaths in the UK compared to the last five year average is (was?) over 6000 a week. Double the usual, IIRC.

Anyone know the figures for Switzerland?
Yes NZZ did that comparison. I think it was 450 excess, however that’s only 200 more than during heavy flu winters and heat waves in 2015, 2017 and I believe 2018 respectively. Disclaimer: I will look for the article as those may not be the exact same years and numbers, but it’s in that ballpark.

So in Switzerland: minimal overall. I believe they said almost all of that excess was in Ticino, very little or even zero excess deaths anywhere else
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:41
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Thank you for answering.
Sorry, but what is "SiL" ?
Do you know what type of protective gear?

When did the ban start for visiting the elders?

If an elder in the elderly home is suspected of having COVID-19, is he/she transported to the hospital? or do they let the elders stay in the elderly home to die?
1) Masks and gowns plus eye protection if needed
2) Mid March when required by the Canton
3) No idea - as mentioned they haven't had a case so far.
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:43
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Yes NZZ did that comparison. I think it was 450 excess, however thatís only 200 more than during heavy flu winters and heat waves in 2015, 2017 and I believe 2018 respectively. Disclaimer: I will look for the article as those may not be the exact same years and numbers, but itís in that ballpark.

So in Switzerland: minimal overall. I believe they said almost all of that excess was in Ticino, very little or even zero excess deaths anywhere else
Canton VD was hit badly in nursing homes. 80% of the Covid19 deaths were in old folks homes and paliative care instiutions. That is pretty unprecedented, I think. So not really how many excess deaths but where they were is important.
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:47
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Canton VD was hit badly in nursing homes. 80% of the Covid19 deaths were in old folks homes and paliative care instiutions. That is pretty unprecedented, I think. So not really how many excess deaths but where they were is important.

According to 20min.ch, nearly all deaths in canton Glarus were in one single nursing home.
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Yes NZZ did that comparison. I think it was 450 excess, however thatís only 200 more than during heavy flu winters and heat waves in 2015, 2017 and I believe 2018 respectively. Disclaimer: I will look for the article as those may not be the exact same years and numbers, but itís in that ballpark.

So in Switzerland: minimal overall. I believe they said almost all of that excess was in Ticino, very little or even zero excess deaths anywhere else
Actually as of 19 April calculated at 1,520. So almost 4 times your "I think". By now that would be up near 2,000 given the recorded CV deaths since.

https://www.srf.ch/news/internationa...na-todeszahlen
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Old 07.05.2020, 10:55
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Yes NZZ did that comparison. I think it was 450 excess, however that’s only 200 more than during heavy flu winters and heat waves in 2015, 2017 and I believe 2018 respectively. Disclaimer: I will look for the article as those may not be the exact same years and numbers, but it’s in that ballpark.

So in Switzerland: minimal overall. I believe they said almost all of that excess was in Ticino, very little or even zero excess deaths anywhere else
There was an article in the Neuch‚tel newspaper last week which gave the mortality rates for the canton as double what would normally be expected for the same period under normal circumstances.
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Well the UK currently has the highest number of deaths in Europe at over
30,000 but of course the UK is also including in the tally; the number of
people who have died in Care Homes and Residential Homes ( which wasn't
included at first in their daily briefings but is included now )

BBC - UK becomes the 1st Country in Europe to pass 30,000 deaths from the virus

Therefore the UK is giving a clearer picture on the scale of the Pandemic
in the UK while many other European countries are still only counting the
number of Hospital deaths in their daily tally.
I predicted this at the outset and got accused of being "anti-UK"

UK government have made a pigs ear of handling this crisis.
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According to 20min.ch, nearly all deaths in canton Glarus were in one single nursing home.
I know when the proverbial hit the fan back in CZ, the first thing they did was to seal off the nursing homes, paliative care places and hospitals. Anyone who was let in was treated as infected, the staff was assumed to have had it too, so they looked like astronauts way form the start, to protect the elderly. Now the thing is to keep this protection while they deconfine. But how long that will last in such discipline...don't know if it is possible.
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I predicted this at the outset and got accused of being "anti-UK"

UK government have made a pigs ear of handling this crisis.
Do you have a link to your prediction and the consequent accusation, I do not remember any of that?
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I dunno, I think we've got to give the scientists a chance for a vaccine. If it's not here on at least on the horizon after the inevitable winter second wave then just open up and what happens happens. Months like this I can take, but not years.
Lockdown for the rest of the year?
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