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I think the " do it yourself " method will be all the trend now.
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Old 08.05.2020, 09:17
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"A father was amazed when he read Teacher's message. He would appear at school on Monday with a plexiglass visor, mask and gloves, wash his hands every few minutes and keep the greatest possible distance from the first graders, he told the parents. Because his wife was an asthma sufferer and he did not want to endanger her or the newborn child. The teacher who teaches at a primary school in western Switzerland is not the only one who is afraid of being infected. Informal inquiries show that the responsible cantonal education department expects 15 to 20 percent of teachers not to attend classes on Monday."
Can you provide a source?

A random quote taken from goodness knows where really isn’t very useful. Some context would be good.
Presumably it was part of a whole article?
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Can you provide a source?

A random quote taken from goodness knows where really isn’t very useful. Some context would be good.
Presumably it was part of a whole article?
Omtatsat is onto something here....this time.

I might look for some articles later, I'm sure he took it from somewhere. Parents and teachers organisations are not happy at all that Mr. Koch et.co decided to open the schools next week. They feel like they're part of an experiement, and rightly so.

Don't know how things are in French cantons btw.
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Omtatsat is onto something here....this time.

I might look for some articles later, I'm sure he took it from somewhere. Parents and teachers organisations are not happy at all that Mr. Koch et.co decided to open the schools next week. They feel like they're part of an experiement, and rightly so.

Don't know how things are in French cantons btw.
I know, which is why I asked him for the source.

I only know about Neuchâtel and not so much about the younger kids. It is only primary that is going back on Monday and only half classes (four days with Wednesday off) and a maximum of 12 (I think) per class.
I haven’t spoken with my neighbour since Wednesday but they were having a meeting with the school head yesterday to discuss all the details.
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First article I did see when opening 20min was about teachers.

(German) https://www.20min.ch/story/schulen-k...n-468870001752
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Old 08.05.2020, 10:12
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Keeping amount of infections relatively low, they did huge testing and thus appeared to have huge numbers, but surrounding countries only tested people who needed medical attention for long time, where Germany tested whole companies if only a person had it, thus also finding a lot of people showing no to little symptoms, they could include those people in the lists, here they are in the so-called black number. Truth is that on percentage they are just hit much less hard than for example Italy.
There's increasing speculation that the young in Germany were disproportionately infected which could also account for the relatively low number of fatalities.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-in...ame/a-53354588

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Which newspapers and what are they writing?
Generally speaking all newspapers have devoted far more column inches to young people that have died from the virus, naming them and giving their backgrounds, compared to older people. The older people only seem to be referred to as numbers and statistics.

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The thing is that underlying health conditions have a very great deal with poverty - lack of health care access, lack of good nutrition. For example, look at the US. Poverty is confounded with ethnicity, underlying health conditions and crowding. In Israel, Haredi populations are especially at risk - again crowding and poverty.

In Italy, I suspect it might be less to do with poverty, but lifestyle - multigenerational families and again crowding.

Maybe it’s crowding.
I was focusing on the medical reasons that certain groups are more likely to die, what lies behind those medical reasons is a Pandora's Box! Interestingly, the ONS in the UK yesterday published statistics that revealed black males are over 4 times more likely to die from Coronavirus than white males. They said a proportion of the reason for this was socio-economic disadvantages, however that wasn't the full picture. They however wisely chose not to go there.

https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1258317719058997248

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...2eb94f5332f583
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The UK now looking at remaining in lockdown until June! Having screwed up the start of the crisis, it seems the UK government is now doing their best to ruin the end too. Be sure to sure to think of those out clapping the NHS when you're enjoying your pint at the Pub next Thursday!
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What could be worse than the lockdown?


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It is not worse than flu
Viruses tend to still be detectable after the infectious phase is over.
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Re: Coronavirus

Canton Zürich recommends to wear a mask starting next Monday while using public transport https://www.thelocal.ch/20200507/cor...-from-may-11th

What's the current situation with masks? Still scarce?
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Canton Zürich recommends to wear a mask starting next Monday while using public transport https://www.thelocal.ch/20200507/cor...-from-may-11th

What's the current situation with masks? Still scarce?
They are distributing them by the millions now towards for example supermarkets, Stores are not allowed to make a profit and price is 39,95 voor 50 pieces and only one box per customer per time. Just look on the website of the stores in your neighbourhood if they have them. Might be tricky in the first days but many millions more are on the way.

EDIT: I was mistaken on the price, Coop has a batch they sourced themselves and sell for 39,95, no price-restrictions on those.

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The proper ones are not cheap.
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Canton Zürich recommends to wear a mask starting next Monday while using public transport https://www.thelocal.ch/20200507/cor...-from-may-11th

What's the current situation with masks? Still scarce?
Can only speak locally but walked into Migros the other day and just got a box.

BTW masks can be reused. After use just leave them somewhere dry and (preferably) sunny for at least 3 days and you're good to go again.
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What sort of masks are these? Surgical masks? The cost to manufacture them is peanuts. Less than CHF 0.10 per mask. Much less, if they're made in Asia.
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The proper ones are not cheap.
Yeah, the ones the government distributes are not FFP2 or FFP3.

They don't offer full safety, they do however when used properly and when being aware of the limitations help in acting in a more safe way.
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What sort of masks are these? Surgical masks? The cost to manufacture them is peanuts. Less than CHF 0.10 per mask. Much less, if they're made in Asia.
They could be bought for such prices in pre-corona times. Nowadays you'll simply not find a batch for those prices.

Also I said the stores are not allowed a profit on them, manufacturers are free to ask whatever they please.
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Mind you, if they are made in Asia...

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There's increasing speculation that the young in Germany were disproportionately infected which could also account for the relatively low number of fatalities.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-in...ame/a-53354588
But German Youth is really not that much different from Dutch or Swiss youth, If I look in the parks here than besides Omtatsat I mostly see young people. Big difference is however that they most often don't get really ill so where Germany would still test a lot of them due to their habit of testing the whole close/contact surrounding of an ill person and add a whole batch of young people to the numbers we would simply skip them with testing giving us on average much older people when it comes to the infected and tested population.
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What sort of masks are these? Surgical masks? The cost to manufacture them is peanuts. Less than CHF 0.10 per mask. Much less, if they're made in Asia.
Yep, we have a box of 50 we bought pre-corona for 1chf but those days are long gone.

High demand and low supplies has pushed the price up dramatically.
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But German Youth is really not that much different from Dutch or Swiss youth, If I look in the parks here than besides Omtatsat I mostly see young people. Big difference is however that they most often don't get really ill so where Germany would still test a lot of them due to their habit of testing the whole close/contact surrounding of an ill person and add a whole batch of young people to the numbers we would simply skip them with testing giving us on average much older people when it comes to the infected and tested population.
I guess so, so you think the low fatality rate in Germany is mainly down to a general lower rate of infection?
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Re: Coronavirus

Maybe German younger population visit their older relatives less often. Or they were tested and quarantained before they could think about visiting them.
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