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Your fact-free opinion!

In reality, Sweden's economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors according to Sweden’s central bank, the Riksbank.

The National Institute for Economic Research (NIER) said in a statement that it believed that Sweden’s economy is set to shrink 7% this year and unemployment to rise to 10.2%.

“Developments in April indicate that the Covid-19 pandemic will hit the Swedish economy much harder than anticipated,” the NIER said, adding that “the global economy is developing worse than expected which is hitting Swedish export companies which are also hampered by problems with international supply chains.”

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How many extra deaths paid for this poor economic result will not be known for some time
Do you even read what you write? Of course Sweden’s economy is going to suffer if the WORLD economy goes into lockdown perhaps if the world had taken a leaf out of Sweden’s book in how to tackle the crisis there would have been minimal impact to the world economy.
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Old 10.05.2020, 10:07
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Looks like Tony`s seen the light as last and wishes the UK was back in the EU. As the the problem always lay in Whitehall and not in Brussels.
How are the two related? I am able to judge situations and outcomes on their own merit rather than sticking to the tribal view which is why I have no problem criticising the UK government. Unlike you, Mr. William and our FBPE friend marton, I won’t defend the indefensible.

Watching Tory supporters squirm like a worm on a hook trying to defend the government’s record on Covid is no different to watching Democrats trying to explain their stance on the Tara Reade allegations, the Left trying to defend Jeremy Corbyn’s antisemitism and FBPE chaps like yourself trying to defend the EU over their Coronavirus reaction.

Feel free to stick to the partisan herd mentality, whilst the UK government has made a mess of Covid, they’ll likely be held to account. The same can’t be said for your beloved EU.
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A factual article from the Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...s-differently/
Supportive of stricter measures being applied to older people and less strict measures being applied to children.
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Your fact-free opinion!

In reality, Sweden's economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors according to Sweden’s central bank, the Riksbank.

The National Institute for Economic Research (NIER) said in a statement that it believed that Sweden’s economy is set to shrink 7% this year and unemployment to rise to 10.2%.

“Developments in April indicate that the Covid-19 pandemic will hit the Swedish economy much harder than anticipated,” the NIER said, adding that “the global economy is developing worse than expected which is hitting Swedish export companies which are also hampered by problems with international supply chains.”

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How many extra deaths paid for this poor economic result will not be known for some time
Fact and projection are two different things sadly. The actual facts are at present firmly on Sweden's side. Check out Q1 figures. Yes that's only Q1 but there's already a huge difference. If Q2 reverses this then I apologise in advance, but for now I'm sticking with my opinion.
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Old 10.05.2020, 10:27
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Is one of the unforeseen advantages of getting through the Pandemic - the positive effect it could have
on the environment and the changes that could happen to our way of life.

The UK government is urging the public to walk and cycle to work instead of using public transport or driving.
It comes as people across the UK have said they are finding it impossible to stay safe outside because
our cities were not built for social distancing.

How we will travel while maintaining social distancing is one of the biggest challenges any government
faces as it seeks to start to lift the lockdown.

It has led communities, transport groups and public health experts to call for radical changes - some already happening globally - such as wider pavements, traffic restrictions and cycle networks.
As well as renewed efforts for flexible working hours to reduce congestion and 'work from home'
solutions for those jobs where it's really feasible, to make 'the big commute' a thing of the past.

Such changes would prevent further waves of infections, improve air quality and public health, and help
countries achieve their climate goals, they say.

The decline in road use during the lockdown has seen dramatic falls in air pollution - an unforeseen
benefit of the pandemic - as well as quieter roads for cycling, although the biggest growth will
be people moving to the ever popular electric scooters & bikes for going to and from work.
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Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?
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Is one of the unforeseen advantages of getting through the Pandemic - the positive effect it could have
on the environment and the changes that could happen to our way of life.

The UK government is urging the public to walk and cycle to work instead of using public transport or driving.
It comes as people across the UK have said they are finding it impossible to stay safe outside because
our cities were not built for social distancing.

How we will travel while maintaining social distancing is one of the biggest challenges any government
faces as it seeks to start to lift the lockdown.

It has led communities, transport groups and public health experts to call for radical changes - some already happening globally - such as wider pavements, traffic restrictions and cycle networks.
As well as renewed efforts for flexible working hours to reduce congestion and 'work from home'
solutions for those jobs where it's really feasible, to make 'the big commute' a thing of the past.

Such changes would prevent further waves of infections, improve air quality and public health, and help
countries achieve their climate goals, they say.

The decline in road use during the lockdown has seen dramatic falls in air pollution - an unforeseen
benefit of the pandemic - as well as quieter roads for cycling, although the biggest growth will
be people moving to the ever popular electric scooters & bikes for going to and from work.
Unforeseen? Kind of like an energy consumption decrease is an unforeseen benefit during a blackout? Or weight loss is an unforeseen benefit to eating less?
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Feel free to stick to the partisan herd mentality, whilst the UK government has made a mess of Covid, they’ll likely be held to account. The same can’t be said for your beloved EU.
How is EU to be held responsible since it didn't have any legal attributions in regards with pandemics?

You want a cowboy kinda of thing?

Edit> or maybe a Putin resolution..... Right mate, you're non-partisan, objective and act "in good faith" on EF.

We're not idiots you know.

Feel free to disregard people's partisan herd mentality if it bugs you that much.

Yes, some here love EU.

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How is EU to be held responsible since it didn't have any legal attributions in regards with pandemics?

You want a cowboy kinda of thing?

Edit> or maybe a Putin resolution..... Right mate, you're non-partisan, objective and act "in good faith" on EF.

We're not idiots you know.

Feel free to disregard people's partisan herd mentality if it bugs you that much.
It's not about legal attributions. The EU should have taken leadership in a crisis that affects all its members and could at least have coordinated the measures taken by individual countries. Crisis times is when leadership counts and when one should be visible and take responsibility.
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Old 10.05.2020, 11:44
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It's not about legal attributions. The EU should have taken leadership in a crisis that affects all its members and could at least have coordinated the measures taken by individual countries. Crisis times is when leadership counts and when one should be visible and take responsibility.
I think the lack of leadership cost a lot of lives. People aren't voicing it yet since half of Eurpe is still in crisis but I expect a major reaction when the worst blows over.
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It's not about legal attributions. The EU should have taken leadership in a crisis that affects all its members and could at least have coordinated the measures taken by individual countries. Crisis times is when leadership counts and when one should be visible and take responsibility.
Yes but Switzerlands not a member of the EU.
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It's not about legal attributions. The EU should have taken leadership in a crisis that affects all its members and could at least have coordinated the measures taken by individual countries. Crisis times is when leadership counts and when one should be visible and take responsibility.
You mean like coordinating the purchase of PPE? Oh hold on....
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I think the lack of leadership cost a lot of lives. People aren't voicing it yet since half of Eurpe is still in crisis but I expect a major reaction when the worst blows over.
I think in many countries local politicians will blame all the losses and their mismanagement of the crisis and economies on EU.
This is what I think.

But you know, MC. We have completely different opinions on a lot of things, albeit I have the feeling we come from very similar backgrounds.

We don't always have to agree on everything, so if you find my opinion threatening, please, please ignore it.

As for leadership and EU, EU is not a federal state. Hence - lack of legality to justify some solutions. Even so, I think they started to get a grip of things. Again, my opinion.

Sorry for editing my posts all the time, my kid is all over my personal space and I'm always in a rush, then I think I haven't written exactly what I wanted to, so...
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A real test for the EU will be to not fall apart when the southern countries start demanding hundreds and hundreds of billions extra on top of the hundreds already available from the EU (read the northern countries), money they'll never pay back.

The UK left just in time.
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A real test for the EU will be to not fall apart when the southern countries start demanding hundreds and hundreds of billions extra on top of the hundreds already available from the EU (read the northern countries), money they'll never pay back.

The UK left just in time.
Have we? I think we are still obliged to contribute to the budget for now?

I often wonder if there's scope for a sort of Germanic league (that is to say Germany, UK, Austria, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Luxembourg, at a push Belgium and Ireland - perhaps even Switzerland) in the event the EU collapsed. A political union for me should be based around a common set of values and cultural identity (a demos if you like) and for me the north south divide is just too big.

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Well with the Summer holiday season coming up no doubt many of you are looking forward
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Dithering, hopeless UK government look set to announce a 14 day quarantine tomorrow for all arrivals other than from the Republic of Ireland. With the highest number of deaths in Europe it makes one wonder why now and who do they think they’re protecting themselves from?! Utter shambles!

I used to bristle at the notion of UK exceptionalism, now I’m not so sure
That's what happens when we have a PM who stocks his cabinet with useless crony toadies. He was ill, they had no-one to pull their strings so they sat on their thumbs.
Absolute mess. It's too late for that kind of action now: hundreds of people, thousands, have arrived already and disappeared into the population.

We are awaiting his blustering bullshittery non-message this evening with scepticism.
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The UK left just in time.
I agree. The more unreasonable demands the Southern countries will have, fed by the anti-EU/eurosceptic/etc etc parties, the more the already fragile balance is likely to crack.

If they do get, once again and again and again and again, more than they deserve and more than the rest of us, frankly I personally won't be sorry if it cracks.

Maybe it is high time for EU to protect all its citizens equally.
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How I’ll manage to keep teenagers motivated for 7 weeks when there are no tests and 99% of them are assured to pass the year is Somewhat beyond me, but hey
Good luck. I hope their behaviour doesn't become exhausting.
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Absolute mess. It's too late for that kind of action now: hundreds of people, thousands, have arrived already and disappeared into the population.

We are awaiting his blustering bullshittery non-message this evening with scepticism.
I have to say, even as someone who has stood for election for the Conservative party, I am decidedly unimpressed by the handling of this crisis.

I do agree with the proposed quarantine, but really this should have been in place in February. The horse has rather bolted now.
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Have we? I think we are still obliged to contribute to the budget for now?
UK does not have to pay for commitments made by the EU after the UK lost its membership. So if the EU decides to waste a trillion on the southern countries this is not a UK problem.
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