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Old 11.05.2020, 22:30
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What's up with the sudden blaze of aircraft noise and even at times they never flew over my area?
Did they pick up on my 'holidays on a plane' idea? Switzerland in 50 rounds or something? Sod that.
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Old 11.05.2020, 23:19
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Is it not the rolling thunder we've been having today? According to Flightradar, there very little going on your way except for a Basel to Doha Qatar cargo flight.
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Old 12.05.2020, 00:08
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Is it not the rolling thunder we've been having today? According to Flightradar, there very little going on your way except for a Basel to Doha Qatar cargo flight.
No, definitely not.
It's more planes and at times we did not have any here before corona. There used to be planes at night we see but don't hear.
It's the strangest thing and if they're not on the flightradar it's even stranger?
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Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

I am just starting to hear of many friends whose children are being let go in the US (most are in their early to late 20s). I worry regarding their prospects of finding a job going forward - particularly those in start-ups, hotels, airlines, manufacturing (I could go on but the list would be too exhaustive to mention)

And factor those small business owners into the equation. This looks like this could be a depression which we have never experienced. And yet the figures in the US for the most part reveal that most deaths occur in nursing homes and retirement facilities.

Shouldn't we quarantine those most affected and allow those unencumbered (under 65) with no pre-existing morbidities to go back to work? At what point do we penalize the next generation exactly?

We did the lockdown so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system, and we were successful in accomplishing this (I speak of the US here). Why did the bar change?

I am frustrated as I feel that many governors in the US are using the lockdown as a means to politicize their agenda - and forget about their constituents and small business owners (many of whom will go out of business) whom they supposedly represent.

The economic fallout - notwithstanding societal fallout will be huge in my view. What at travesty on all levels! So sad...
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No, definitely not.
It's more planes and at times we did not have any here before corona. There used to be planes at night we see but don't hear.
It's the strangest thing and if they're not on the flightradar it's even stranger?
After these silent weeks you might have started to notice them again, while earlier you would not pay attention anymore.

I've been working for some time in Badhoevedorp in the Netherlands and depending on what lane was used at Schiphol you really at a minimum of a few minutes just had to stop speaking for 10 to 20 seconds since you could not hear each-other anymore, two dudes who lived there did not even notice anymore they did such it was just the normal situation for them (extreme case I know)
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I'd say if you ask again in two months this topic should show a stormrun. I know only one person who got fired directly due to Corona, all my friends are either developers or technicians in heavy/mining Industry, the developers noticed it was even more busy and the technicians never noticed any difference as for work. The one who got fired works in Sweden at a company doing access control systems including their own hardware mainly for hotels, business went very rapidly down to almost zero and almost the whole company is fired to reduce costs in an attempt to survive.

This besides some professionals who made a business out of renting large objects to put them on Airbnb, they just sold all furniture and closed shop.
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Article is behind paywall, but photos and funny captions are free https://www.bernerzeitung.ch/erste-d...z-616288560968
Ha, saw two old friends of mine there. Well, ex-friends now...

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Re: Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

I think the second (and probably bigger) wave of firings will follow in the autumn. Right now many people are on Kurzarbeit or reduced hours, while their companies still hope for V-crisis and massive comeback in Q3. This hope is also reflected by the stockmarket, which is back to the Q1-2019 level

As we go into autumn, in many areas revenues will not recover to the expected level and inevitable will happen. Delayed domino effect.


Personally, I know one person who got reduced to 50% from 80%, no firings so far.

Many production sites workers of my company are/were on Kurzarbeit or unpaid leave (outside CH). All projects severely cut, and external costs (orders) are brought to the bare minimum. And this one is from Fortune-500. I'm terrified of what is possibly going on in the smaller ones.
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Old 12.05.2020, 02:02
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We did the lockdown so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system, and we were successful in accomplishing this (I speak of the US here). Why did the bar change?
I must have missed something... the bit where Trump suddenly increased capacity to such an extent that it no longer matters if the infection rate doubles or more in the coming weeks....

All we have done so far is bought a little time and learned a little about the virus. The lockdown was never held out as a phase before we get back to normal so the bar has not changed.

The next step is getting essential services going, built capacity to deal with the next wave, try to find a vaccine or treatment and try to survive in the meantime.

As for the next generation, killing 20% - 30% of them simply to save the economy is not much of an achievement, especially at this very early stage when we don’t need to do so.

Even when we do come out of this, I doubt very much the we will ever go back to the old normal and the economics will change dramatically as well.
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If we read the original article here it does not claim anywhere that 10-20% is the herd immunity for COVID.

It states "Achieving accurate estimates of heterogeneity for SARS-CoV-2 is therefore of paramount importance in controlling the COVID-19 pandemic as the coefficient of variation increases from 0 to 4, the herd immunity threshold declines from over 60% to less than 10%."

Where the coefficient of variation for COVID is not known its herd immunity threshold cannot be calculated, more work is needed to measure this in different populations.
It states "Achieving accurate estimates of heterogeneity for SARS-CoV-2 is therefore of paramount importance in controlling the COVID-19 pandemic as the coefficient of variation increases from 0 to 4, the herd immunity threshold declines from over 60% to less than 10%."

What a silly meaningless quote!! But your posts are normally meaningless anyhow.
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Old 12.05.2020, 09:39
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Re: Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

My friend is the Finance Director at a bar/sports bar/restaurant chain in London.
They furloughed 600 staff when lockdown began. Typical(ish) of a modern company owned by private equity, the company has no cash coffers and runs on empty, so now they are out of cash and cannot pay their bills, so they have gone to HM Gov. for a bailout loan.
However......they have never paid corporation/company tax as, due on part to his financial wizardry, all the profit is extracted/exchanged for debt.
Looks like they won't get the loan (rightly so in my eyes) and will go under.
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Old 12.05.2020, 09:48
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Re: Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

Whelp, I am on Kurzarbeit at the moment and I have been told that my contract which runs out in July will not be converted to a permanent one and I will be out of a job by August.
There are so many printshops crashing out at the moment and even larger printhouses are going into §§, meaning that demand for supplies has collapsed, our company has a 70% loss in custom and dozens of people are going to be out of work by autumn.

And here is me in my fantasy that I had found a place to stay until retirement.
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Adults weaponizing children, did I missed something else?
Could anyone who watched that video tell us what on earth was going on there? I tried, but the boy's distress and screaming was too much. She was protesting or....?

I know, being posted by Omtatsat should have raised a red flag....

Seriously, I can't watch a child in so much pain.

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Re: Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

Well, I'm on Kurzarbeit (airline industry), nobody knows what happens next.
Wifey was supposed to start in a hotel mid-April after maternity leave, got resignation already in March clearly due to Corona.
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Old 12.05.2020, 10:09
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Re: Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

I know people that have been forced to take holiday, that on reduced wages due to furlough, business owners struggling to get by on a fraction of their normal income and people that have lost their jobs. All this for a virus that has minimal effect on healthy people of working age (under 65s).

Success is still being measured in terms of numbers dead, with little thought given to economic consequences and harm/lives lost as a result of the prolonged lockdown. It's becoming ever more clear that if the virus is kept out of care homes and the healthcare system then it has a vastly reduced impact (as appears to have been the case in Germany).

Historians will look back at this pandemic as a time of collective madness and self harm. A lockdown of vulnerable and elderly would have been sufficient and everyone else could have carried on working with social distancing measures in place.
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Re: Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

I don't know anyone yet, but I guess I'll heard of it in a few more months or maybe later. Neither here in CH nor in any other place I have friends or relatives.

Well, I really hope for the best, but we'll experience an economic recession so it is naive not to expect anything like that among my acquaintances. Hope people will find resources to reskill/upskill and stay afloat or even find new opportunities.
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I know people that have been forced to take holiday, that on reduced wages due to furlough, business owners struggling to get by on a fraction of their normal income and people that have lost their jobs. All this for a virus that has minimal effect on healthy people of working age (under 65s).

Success is still being measured in terms of numbers dead, with little thought given to economic consequences and harm/lives lost as a result of the prolonged lockdown. It's becoming ever more clear that if the virus is kept out of care homes and the healthcare system then it has a vastly reduced impact (as appears to have been the case in Germany).

Historians will look back at this pandemic as a time of collective madness and self harm. A lockdown of vulnerable and elderly would have been sufficient and everyone else could have carried on working with social distancing measures in place.
I am not sure though if people at risk would have understood why they are asked to stay in when others not. They are still whole countries that seemed to have not understood the mechanics on time despite the example we got months ago in China, Italy.. If life went on as before do you think that it would have been realistically possible to expect from the oldest geretation to understand that in fact life has turned into one big biohazard threat? Especially when there clearly was not enough PPE.

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Could anyone who watched that video tell us what on earth was going on there? I tried, but the boy's distress and screaming was too much. She was protesting or....?

I know, being posted by Omtatsat should have raised a red flag....

Seriously, I can't watch a child in so much pain.
The woman was protesting against social distancing laws -- deliberately breaking the law. She brought her child along for the lolz, I guess.

As we all know, omtatsat just has to complain about every situation -- Switzerland sucks, Australia sucks, whichever place he turns his bored mind to next sucks...
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I am just starting to hear of many friends whose children are being let go in the US (most are in their early to late 20s). I worry regarding their prospects of finding a job going forward - particularly those in start-ups, hotels, airlines, manufacturing (I could go on but the list would be too exhaustive to mention)

And factor those small business owners into the equation. This looks like this could be a depression which we have never experienced. And yet the figures in the US for the most part reveal that most deaths occur in nursing homes and retirement facilities.

Shouldn't we quarantine those most affected and allow those unencumbered (under 65) with no pre-existing morbidities to go back to work? At what point do we penalize the next generation exactly?

We did the lockdown so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system, and we were successful in accomplishing this (I speak of the US here). Why did the bar change?

I am frustrated as I feel that many governors in the US are using the lockdown as a means to politicize their agenda - and forget about their constituents and small business owners (many of whom will go out of business) whom they supposedly represent.

The economic fallout - notwithstanding societal fallout will be huge in my view. What at travesty on all levels! So sad...
I believe that single line summs it up really well. It might sound selfish of the young(er) generation, but it is IMHO the question to be asked.

I might be stoned to death here for this, but IMHO the next generation is already now overburdened by a huge burden left by the current generation's lifestyle. It is the next generation who will have to deal with the effects of climate change.

Yet, the current generations take away the lifeline of the next generation. Unfortunately it is the current (and especially the old) generation who votes, so the politicians are biased to pleasing them.

I do feel for the sick elderly, and on a personal level obviously I fear for the health of my loved ones. BUT: global politics should not be personal. An analogy: If faced with a choice to save a family member by potentially sacrificing the life of hundreds of strangers, many might consider this option despite the moral dilemma. But faced with the same question but you would save another stranger: saving one stranger's life by sacrificing hundreds, there is no question which is the option to choose.
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Old 12.05.2020, 10:33
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Re: Do you know anyone who has lost their job because of Corona?

No. At my job an engineer was just hired. The curious thing is that he was unemployed for more than a year after the massive dismissals of GE in AG on 2018.
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