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Old 12.05.2020, 16:11
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Apart from nobody being sure that recovered patients are immune, recovery from COVID-19 is no walk in the park and many sufferers end up with severe lifelong problems.
I'm reminded of my cousin. He wasn't vaccinated against whooping cough. He contracted it as a child. He survived, but in his early thirties was found by my aunt in his apartment. He'd had a heart attack and died. His system had been weakened by the childhood disease.

Btw, I really really hate promoters of anti-vax conspiracies. They're evil.
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Absolutely. Let's open up all the stadia and any other huge enclosed spaces we have and shove everyone inside for 3 weeks. Anyone left alive after 21 -23 days can resume their lives. Everyone else... meh... dead weight. Their own fault for being the wrong age etc.


In all seriousness, Ato, it feels very much like this is what the UK Govt is doing: culling from the bottom 99% so the top 1% are ok. Some weird horrid Battle Royale.
And just like Battle Royale, the crazy fat one will die first.
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I'm not waiting until the recession bites. I'm doing all I can do to keep my job during the next 2 years and increase my cash stash.

Hope all the worries about the economy become actions and not self-pity or a useless "the government got it wrong".

Watch out for bail-ins and seizures. A lot of people lost their shirts in Argentina in 2002 and globally in 2008.

Not saying it will happen here/EU wide, but governments need money, and history repeats itself.
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Old 12.05.2020, 16:28
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Watch out for bail-ins and seizures. A lot of people lost their shirts in Argentina in 2002 and globally in 2008.

Not saying it will happen here/EU wide, but governments need money, and history repeats itself.
That's the advantage of being foreigners here. it means there's a place called home outside of CH. At least two countries to diversify
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Old 12.05.2020, 16:36
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That's the advantage of being foreigners here. it means there's a place called home outside of CH. At least two countries to diversify
Which one of them two is more ready than CH to face the massive recession that is about to happen everywhere.

I wonder if the Swedish trick was in fact the no. 1 step in processing the inevitable future recession.
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How am I supposed to give you exact figures when even the government doesn't know themselves they have no idea what the death rate is and no idea what the R number is. My estimate is based on what we know.

We're ALL affected by the lockdown, but just wait until the recession bites. NIMBY indeed
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Better be unemployed than dead.
There's plenty of research that shows being unemployed increases your chance of death, whether by more of less than corona I have no idea, and I daresay there are contrary studies.

If there are millions unemployed, which there already are, then many avoidable deaths can be attributed to that.

Looks like there is no escape from Covid 19's icy fingers.
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There's plenty of research that shows being unemployed increases your chance of death, whether by more of less than corona I have no idea, and I daresay there are contrary studies.

If there are millions unemployed, which there already are, then many avoidable deaths can be attributed to that.

Looks like there is no escape from Covid 19's icy fingers.
Even then, unemployment doesn't take 1% of lives (at least).
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Even then, unemployment doesn't take 1% of lives (at least).
But if you are of the age where you can be unemployed, you're unlikely to die of Covid-19, it's an old/ill persons disease.
But anyway, will be years before the stats are in to make any conclusion.
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Old 12.05.2020, 17:52
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There's plenty of research that shows being unemployed increases your chance of death, whether by more of less than corona I have no idea, and I daresay there are contrary studies.

If there are millions unemployed, which there already are, then many avoidable deaths can be attributed to that.

Looks like there is no escape from Covid 19's icy fingers.
Life is slowly coming back from the hault we experienced, people are reasonable here so I am not too worried. The media from abroad do sound alarmist and keep racking on views/clicks by feeding the fear factor, it is unethical and definitely politically motivated. I am grateful for how low key everything has been here. There is no panic, information and explanations have been paced to preserve people's rationality.

Restarting economy, trade and services as it has been done gradually in waves - 27 April, 11 May and next will be 11 June, in fact prepare the society to live with the risk consciously, intelligently and carefully, without falling for the fear factor that seem to plague the media abroad.

Local news last night showed restos and shops, hairdressers, nail artists, flower shops, interviewed owners and customers and economists, Swiss saved too much cash last two months, where will people now invest to support the economy? Books? Services? Schools? Agencies? Chocolates? watches? More insurance policies?
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Old 12.05.2020, 18:03
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where will people now invest to support the economy? .... watches?
Speaking of which......... Looks like the watch makers are toast also.

No tourists, global recession means fewer discretionary purchases, and all on the back of smart phones replacing watches anyway.
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Old 12.05.2020, 18:12
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Speaking of which......... Looks like the watch makers are toast also.

No tourists, global recession means fewer discretionary purchases, and all on the back of smart phones replacing watches anyway.
Noooo. Which local watch are you planning to get? I know some cool ones.

Smartphones are so old news. I might get a regular cell, no apps.

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Old 12.05.2020, 18:40
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Because of the lock-down in the U.K, not in spite of it.

Are you complaining because not enough people have died, or what?
Answering a point that's not been made, all too typical on these pages unfortunately

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The idea of the lockdown was to stop the hospitals from being overloaded so your statistics on deaths are not relevant.
The question is how many hospital beds would be needed without the lockdown and if not enough then how many untreated people would die? For your particular interest, many people under 65 needed hospital treatment (cf Boris is 55), and without proper treatment how many of them would die?
The hospitals haven't been overloaded, the peak is long past so it's time to end the lockdown. Any prolongation of the lockdown now is pure politics, which leads me onto my next point...

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So you did just entirely make those figures up. Good to know.

You don't know any more than the rest of us. You just like making doom noises whilst trying to sound knowledgable and superior. Which part of the UK are you from again? How much understanding of the UK do you actually have.

The recession is coming, absolutely, on top of a decade of austerity for the UK. It's utterly shit. But it'll be significantly less shit if fewer folk die from this bloody virus.

You appear to be the embodiment of NIMBY. I assume you fit quite neatly into the VENN twatbadger demographic.
The Swiss get this, which is why they've brought forward the easing of the lockdown. The UK govt screwed up, and now they're playing politics by keeping people in lockdown longer than is necessary. (I'll ignore the personal insult)

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Do I really need to explain how ignorant that thought is?
That's exactly NOT what I assume. My point is that people with underlying health conditions are far more likely to be affected by this virus than healthy people. It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to protect these and other vulnerable people whilst also ensuring that hospital appointments go ahead, the economy is kept going etc.

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I'm not waiting until the recession bites. I'm doing all I can do to keep my job during the next 2 years and increase my cash stash.

Hope all the worries about the economy become actions and not self-pity or a useless "the government got it wrong".
Under normal circumstances I would agree, but when people's businesses go under for reasons entirely out of their control then it is normal to expect bitterness.
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And just like Battle Royale, the crazy fat one will die first.
You've touched upon a point there, "underlying health condition" for the most part means "severely overweight". Perhaps if people spent the lockdown losing weight rather than sitting on their sofa we'd see a lower fatality rate. Again, personal responsibility.

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There's plenty of research that shows being unemployed increases your chance of death, whether by more of less than corona I have no idea, and I daresay there are contrary studies.

If there are millions unemployed, which there already are, then many avoidable deaths can be attributed to that.

Looks like there is no escape from Covid 19's icy fingers.
Countries should have worked out solutions that work for their populations. In Switzerland being unemployed is no reason to start living the unhealthy life and die years earlier. Countries where this is the case should choose measurements that works best for them.
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Old 12.05.2020, 18:51
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You've touched upon a point there, "underlying health condition" for the most part means "severely overweight". Perhaps if people spent the lockdown losing weight rather than we'd see a lower fatality rate. Again, personal responsibility.
Not everyone who is overweight is a glutton.
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Which one of them two is more ready than CH to face the massive recession that is about to happen everywhere.

I wonder if the Swedish trick was in fact the no. 1 step in processing the inevitable future recession.
I don't work for a country, I work for a private employer. Private employers can go down in the most prepared country to face a massive recession or be successful in a country ravaged by the massive recession. Since I don't know the future, better be flexible and have as many options as possible.
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Under normal circumstances I would agree, but when people's businesses go under for reasons entirely out of their control then it is normal to expect bitterness.
Normal indeed, but bitterness is useless when the business is open (pay attention at your customers' money, not at how much you dislike them) and even more useless when the business goes down.
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I don't work for a country, I work for a private employer. Private employers can go down in the most prepared country to face a massive recession or be successful in a country ravaged by the massive recession. Since I don't know the future, better be flexible and have as many options as possible.
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Old 12.05.2020, 19:04
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Alas, nobody has been recovered long enough for you to make such a statement.

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