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I said "severely overweight", otherwise known as obesity.
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He added the link after already being groaned, and Obese and overweight are not equal terms.
Yes for some people everything they eat turns to fat. Just like for some people everything they touch turns to gold!
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That's your choice to interpret it in that way. It remains a true and valid point nonetheless. Especially in a country where approximately 30% of the population are obese.
The link between Covid19 risks and weight problems were posted before. Do you know if it is generalized to all countries? It seems that the info from some countries is mainly focused on age being mentioned in the risk categories. I also saw vit D defficiency, asthma, etc.
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The link between Covid19 risks and weight problems were posted before. Do you know if it is generalized to all countries? It seems that the info from some countries is mainly focused on age being mentioned in the risk categories. I also saw vit D defficiency, asthma, etc.
I've seen enough reports from different countries to accept it as a fact that worldwide obese people have IC need way above what should be expected based on their share of the population, don't think that should be any discussion anymore.
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I've seen enough reports from different countries to accept it as a fact that worldwide obese people have IC need way above what should be expected based on their share of the population, don't think that should be any discussion anymore.
It seems like it, doesn't it. And once you are in the ICU on a ventilator, the survival stats are bleak. If people can have some control over their weight and there is still time for it, it is good to make the risk linked to Covid19 very visible. I am sure they get told by their doctors, too.

What is people's theory on why Africa is holding up so well, in terms of Covid19 numbers?

What is happening in Russia now, how are they doing?

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It seems like it, doesn't it. And once you are in the ICU on a ventilator, the survival stats are bleak. If people can have some control over their weight, it is good to make the rist linked to Covid19 very visible. I am sure they get told by their doctors, too.

What is people's theory on why Africa is holding up so well, in terms of Covid19 numbers?

What is happening in Russia now, how are they doing?
As for Africa, their population is on average incredible young compared to the rest of the world, median age is under 20 and is 10 yrs younger than that of the whole world, this gives them a big advantage. But they'll get their thousands of deaths due to a lack of proper healthcare (6 countries don't even have respirators) but it will not be as bad as in Europe which is filled with elderly people.

As for Russia, they are over 200K confirmed infections but I doubt their amount of deaths so much that I'm not even going to post it.
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As for Africa, their population is on average incredible young compared to the rest of the world, median age is under 20 and is 10 yrs younger than that of the whole world, this gives them a big advantage. But they'll get their thousands of deaths due to a lack of proper healthcare (6 countries don't even have respirators) but it will not be as bad as in Europe which is filled with elderly people.

As for Russia, they are over 200K confirmed infections but I doubt their amount of deaths so much that I'm not even going to post it.
Under-reported?
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Under-reported?
Based on population and comparing Switzerland to Russia:

Switzerland has 2.1x amount of confirmed cases, but has 14.4x as much deaths, but they also claim to have done 6 Million tests by now, so just dunno.
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The link between Covid19 risks and weight problems were posted before. Do you know if it is generalized to all countries? It seems that the info from some countries is mainly focused on age being mentioned in the risk categories. I also saw vit D defficiency, asthma, etc.
So, as far as I gathered> age, diabetes (both types), cardiovascular problems, kidney problems, cancer or cancer survivors, immunodeficiencies, asthma and you don't even have to be overweighted to have one or a few of these illnesses. These are the stats for Romania. The vast majority of deaths were due to corona combined with one or more of these conditions.
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Based on population and comparing Switzerland to Russia:

Switzerland has 2.1x amount of confirmed cases, but has 14.4x as much deaths, but they also claim to have done 6 Million tests by now, so just dunno.
I think that is the thing. Any numbers we see are useless if you are not told the real number of tests. How often, repeated, etc.

It is cold here again, somebody told me that outside temperatures have an influence in some way to the spread, just like colds and respiratory ailments.
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So, as far as I gathered> age, diabetes (both types), cardiovascular problems, asthma and you don't have to be even overweight to have one or all of these. These are the stats for Romania.
No, but many overweight people suuffer from one or more of these because they are overweight.

Type II diabetes, cardiovascular conditions and asthma all have links to obesity although obviously not all people with those conditions are obese.

The difference is that for a lot of people who aren't obese, there's not much they can do to improve their conditions.
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No, but many overweight people suuffer from one or more of these because they are overweight.

Type II diabetes, cardiovascular conditions and asthma all have links to obesity although obviously not all people with those conditions are obese.

The difference is that for a lot of people who aren't obese, there's not much they can do to improve their conditions.
Yes, I know. The probability these patients were obese too is very high (I think I've seen this condition mentioned many a time in those stats). I think that even for those who are obese now, losing weight, especially if rapid loss of weight, is not always or necessarily correlated with lower risks.
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As for Russia, they are over 200K confirmed infections but I doubt their amount of deaths so much that I'm not even going to post it.
It is normal to have 1% mortality at the beginning of the outbreak. In Switzerland, US, France, mortality was also at 1% in the beginning.

The fact is, both cases and deaths rise exponentially, but deaths lag some 1-2 weeks. Once the infection curve stabilizes, deaths keep going exponentially for a while longer, so to say "catching up" to common 5-10%.
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Yes, I know. The probability these patients were obese too is very high (I think I've seen this condition mentioned many a time in those stats). I think that even for those who are obese now, losing weight, especially if rapid loss of weight, is not always or necessarily correlated with lower risks.
Probably not in the short term but definitely in the long term.
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It seems like it, doesn't it. And once you are in the ICU on a ventilator, the survival stats are bleak. If people can have some control over their weight and there is still time for it, it is good to make the risk linked to Covid19 very visible. I am sure they get told by their doctors, too.

What is people's theory on why Africa is holding up so well, in terms of Covid19 numbers?

What is happening in Russia now, how are they doing?
Quite probably the numbers from Russia will indicate they're doing much better than the degenerate West. Why bother? /s

The interesting thing from Russia and Eastern Europe is the compulsory tuberculosis vaccination until the 1990s. Read a couple articles that point at a correlation between tuberculosis vaccination and lower COVID19 mortality. Let's see if they survive peer-review.
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Based on population and comparing Switzerland to Russia:

Switzerland has 2.1x amount of confirmed cases, but has 14.4x as much deaths, but they also claim to have done 6 Million tests by now, so just dunno.
TBF to Russia, because they are at an early phase, its possible their deaths just haven't happened yet. And as you say, because they started having cases late, testing is more available. I think the Russian data is probably better than the Swiss, if anything, as we know the real mortality is nothing close to 5 or 10% shown in Western European numbers.
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"Fat could be helping coronavirus to infiltrate cells"

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In a paper published in the journal Obesity, researchers from Germany and the United States said that fat and other similar cells “may play an important role in the pathogenic response to Covid-19”.

Fat cells in obese or diabetic patients produce higher amounts of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (Ace2) than those in other people.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ells-q2t02cd7c

Quarantine is not exactly condusive to weight loss, either, for a bunch of people.
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Quite probably the numbers from Russia will indicate they're doing much better than the degenerate West. Why bother? /s

The interesting thing from Russia and Eastern Europe is the compulsory tuberculosis vaccination until the 1990s. Read a couple articles that point at a correlation between tuberculosis vaccination and lower COVID19 mortality. Let's see if they survive peer-review.
I saw this info in our EE press weeks ago, but not sure myself. Which reminds me to check on our TBC antibodies and revax, it will be expensive here. You get a jab at birth there and recheck during teen years, a lot of them antibodies did not work, though. It is pretty annoying to have a really strict vax calendar that puts most of developed countries to shame and then you find out that half of the vaccines need to be redone.
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...Our knowledge of diet is greater than it has ever been.

Exercise does not play much of a part - it's mainly people eating too much of the wrong thing.
It's really pretty simple.

Losing weight or resisting the food and so not putting the weight on in the first place is the difficult thing - psychologically or physically.
This is true. But many poor people - particularly in the U.S. - can't afford to eat nutritious foods. Cheap stuff isn't healthy but it fills the belly. When I was a broke college student, you could buy packets of ramen noodles for 10 cents. Today you can still buy a 48-pack at Costco for about $8.
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