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...The interesting thing from Russia and Eastern Europe is the compulsory tuberculosis vaccination until the 1990s. Read a couple articles that point at a correlation between tuberculosis vaccination and lower COVID19 mortality. Let's see if they survive peer-review.
Latest indications are probably not.
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This is true. But many poor people - particularly in the U.S. - can't afford to eat nutritious foods. Cheap stuff isn't healthy but it fills the belly. When I was a broke college student, you could buy packets of ramen noodles for 10 cents. Today you can still buy a 48-pack at Costco for about $8.
This. And frankly I hate the attitude of blaming the patient. Even if there are some valid reasons. Even if he/they could have done more for themselves too.
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Old 13.05.2020, 12:41
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This is true. But many poor people - particularly in the U.S. - can't afford to eat nutritious foods. Cheap stuff isn't healthy but it fills the belly. When I was a broke college student, you could buy packets of ramen noodles for 10 cents. Today you can still buy a 48-pack at Costco for about $8.
That's of course true but also, people everywhere generally spend a smaller percentage of their income on food compared to what they used to.
That needs to change.
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Correct about how the virus got into the elderly care facilities so why not lock them down (which many states have done including PA (albeit - a little late!) and begin a program of widespread and frequent testing at these care facilities? Until a vaccine is found, and let's be honest here, in a best case scenario we are looking at another 12- 18 months, the elderly in these facilities are the MOST at risk.
More than 1/3 is considered vulnerable. Some 18% are pensioners, the others in schooling or working age.

Feel free to demonstrate how to permanently isolate 1/3 of the population without causing damage, neither to this 1/3 nor to the other 2/3.

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Talking about Switzerland. I dont' care all that much how far-away countries handle the pandemic.

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"Fat could be helping coronavirus to infiltrate cells"



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ells-q2t02cd7c

Quarantine is not exactly condusive to weight loss, either, for a bunch of people.
I'm doing really well with exercise, but being sat right next to the fridge is an issue.
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Old 13.05.2020, 13:02
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I saw this info in our EE press weeks ago, but not sure myself. Which reminds me to check on our TBC antibodies and revax, it will be expensive here. You get a jab at birth there and recheck during teen years, a lot of them antibodies did not work, though. It is pretty annoying to have a really strict vax calendar that puts most of developed countries to shame and then you find out that half of the vaccines need to be redone.
What's an EE press?

I know, last hepatitis vaccine I got was on 2002 or 2003 and it lasts ~10 years. Good idea to get a new one on the next vacation at home for a much lower cost.
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I'm doing really well with exercise, but being sat right next to the fridge is an issue.

It's harder than alcohol. I can refrain myself from finishing the beers, wine and distillates in spite of having several months of stock. But chocolate, peanuts and other stuff.....not so much
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https://www.foodnavigator.com/Articl...ct-post-crisis

This is a good attitude, imho, urge people to eat healthily, while pushing on food producers to go back to basics and make better food.

I think it is more efficient and better in the long run for the consumer to learn to make healhier choices instead of waiting for the food companies to start making better, less processed foods.

We should have a support thread for those wanting to lose weight while staying-working at home.

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I know, last hepatitis vaccine I got was on 2002 or 2003 and it lasts ~10 years. Good idea to get a new one on the next vacation at home for a much lower cost.
Eastern European papers. News.

Hep vax is short term, yes. But my TBC immunity expired, it is not supposed to. I think it never happened, despite me being vaxed. Last year there was a scandal in Germany and other countries over other vaccines (pertussis) taken in infancy and boosters, that were supposed to last for ever, and they did not.
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It is normal to have 1% mortality at the beginning of the outbreak. In Switzerland, US, France, mortality was also at 1% in the beginning.

The fact is, both cases and deaths rise exponentially, but deaths lag some 1-2 weeks. Once the infection curve stabilizes, deaths keep going exponentially for a while longer, so to say "catching up" to common 5-10%.
I know that there is a delay, but they for example had 105 deaths reported on the 30th of April, if everything still would be growing I would have expected days with higher amounts after that, but only yesterday they had a higher amount with 107, they don't show a growth in amount of daily deaths for 2 weeks by now.
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Old 13.05.2020, 13:34
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It's harder than alcohol. I can refrain myself from finishing the beers, wine and distillates in spite of having several months of stock. But chocolate, peanuts and other stuff.....not so much
Just eat what you have..indulge. And then when you run out, do not restock it, no nuts, chocholate. Apples, tangeringes, fibrous and happy food, lot of water.

Some people put a sign on their fridge:



Remind yourself how great it is to stay safe, minimize the risk of contracting the virus and not have to venture out to restock. It is better to focus on nutrition and health. My friend also allows herself one 45min session per week to inhale whatever she feels like eating and eats only healthy stuff for the rest of the week.

I think it may be a good way to fight the virus anxiety, by having a control over nutrition and treating our bodies with respect.
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"They need to lockdown elder care facilities"

This happened unplanned in several Spanish care homes where the staff stopped coming to work and the residents all died.
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Old 13.05.2020, 14:16
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My friend back from the uk went in briefly as he felt rather breathless. He was fine within a week or two. I think understandably people are cautious when it comes to breathing.
It is a simple matter to measure the blood oxygen content and so determine how serious the case is.
A pulse oximeter is a noninvasive device that estimates the amount of oxygen in your blood.
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"They need to lockdown elder care facilities"

This happened unplanned in several Spanish care homes where the staff stopped coming to work and the residents all died.
In Austria they import cheap elderly care staff from neighbouring countries who come for 2 weeks and then go back home for 2 weeks etc etc. The problem with this "brilliant" scheme is that those people will have to stay in quarantine for 2 weeks when they go "back home". At the end of day, some other countries are going to pay for your elderly's care. Ethical, civilised, no? I love EU. It really works for some. I'd be more worried about my and OH's parents in case they'd need care, because I wonder who the hell is going to do it.
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It is a simple matter to measure the blood oxygen content and so determine how serious the case is.
A pulse oximeter is a noninvasive device that estimates the amount of oxygen in your blood.
I think (from memory) there have been numerous cases where peoples blood oxygen levels have been sufficiently low that it would indicate they are in trouble with other diseases, but infact they are not so bad with corona. So he may have been kept in despite not being at deaths door. This was early in proceedings. Mid March or so.

I heard that doctors say its more like treating altitude sickness than regular pnemonia.
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Hep vax is short term, yes. But my TBC immunity expired, it is not supposed to. I think it never happened, despite me being vaxed. Last year there was a scandal in Germany and other countries over other vaccines (pertussis) taken in infancy and boosters, that were supposed to last for ever, and they did not.
You should google a little. The reason the west stopped the BCG vaccination is that it isn't massively effective. If TB rates are low it is relatively useless, only where TB rates are high is it still recommended.

Although seems these days it has some uses away from TB.
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That's of course true but also, people everywhere generally spend a smaller percentage of their income on food compared to what they used to.
That needs to change.
In the US specifically it’s also an issue of fresh food being available - having a grocery store with produce or access to farm markets. Michele Obama tried to encourage gardens in urban places and more of that is needed.

Lots of urban residents in the US are in food desserts- access to anything but processed food is limited.

Of course then the question becomes, do people perceive they have the time to prepare/cook food. There is a need for both availability and culture shift without sanctimonious nonsense around personal responsibility.

(Not saying Tom’s post above did that).

When I hear obviously middle class Americans going on about processed foods and poor diets and obesity, my eyes roll. And what I want to say is that people need options that fit into their non privileged lives.
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Although seems these days it has some uses away from TB.
Why would I google a little, something that I know? I have been vaxed, it did not work. BCG did not always work with all babies. They stopped the mass TBC vaxing for whatever reasons in many countries. Some countries regreted, as CZ with recent high influx of TBC pos Ukrainian labor. They may restart it again. But I will have my vax redone I think, was going to do it irrespectively of CV.

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Average TV/streaming watching statistics around the world indicate a lot of free time to buy and cook food at home.

Coming from a poor place, I can tell processed foods and fast food are marketed by producers and perceived by consumers as "luxuries". Only the poorest of the poor drink water from the faucet, the not so poor drink Coke to differentiate themselves from the bottom. Fast food is a luxury reward after a long day of work. Want to offer something special for a friend? Invite a work colleague to a fast food joint, something cooked at home will be perceived as being stingy or worst of all.....poor. Invite to a decent restaurant with healthy food and you'll be perceived as a baller that wants to show off....hey that beef and salad is for the rich.

Of course food deserts exist, but there are strong cultural norms and habits that contribute to people with enough income to afford good food to eat trash food.

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Average TV/streaming watching statistics around the world indicate a lot of free time to buy and cook food at home.

Coming from a poor place, I can tell processed foods and fast food are marketed by producers and perceived by consumers as "luxuries". Only the poorest of the poor drink water from the faucet, the not so poor drink Coke to differentiate themselves from the bottom. Fast food is a luxury reward after a long day of work. Want to offer something special for a friend? Invite a work colleague to a fast food joint, something cooked at home will be perceived as being stingy or worst of all.....poor. Invite to a decent restaurant with healthy food and you'll be perceived as a baller that wants to show off....hey's that beef and salad is for the rich.

Of course food deserts exist, but there are strong cultural norms and habits that contribute to people with enough income to afford good food to eat trash food.
Could be a form of self sabotage, too.

Which is kinda similar to see the footage from beaches and wherever people partied, no matter of the virus.
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I'm doing really well with exercise, but being sat right next to the fridge is an issue.
Wearing a mask can also help in this case
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