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I don't see why you couldn't simply have the plastic screen between seats (and ideally, something moveable so that an adult can interact with their children). Maybe the distance is sufficient, but in that concept the guy sitting backwards is facing the two side passengers from the row behind
As if it wasn't a logistical nightmare to travel with children even before corona....
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Old 14.05.2020, 11:10
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Rear facing seats could be lighter and packed closer together as the main forces are forward in the event of a crash, problem is that people don't like facing backwards due to comfort and general unease. The discomfort being during take off you would be pushed against the seat belt.
Yeah it's a bit weird initially to fly that way, though as you say, once you've taken off, you feel no difference (from what I remember, it's been a few years since I last flew that way on BA)
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Yeah it's a bit weird initially to fly that way, though as you say, once you've taken off, you feel no difference (from what I remember, it's been a few years since I last flew that way on BA)
I think biggest disadvantage is for people with car-sickness. My wife is also unable to travel backwards in busses and trains without a puking bag.
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Old 14.05.2020, 11:33
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Re: Coronavirus

Checked flightradar24.com earlier today and saw a flight from Zurich to NYC and another to Shanghai. But, there are very few passenger flights at the moment, almost any plane you click on is a cargo one.

I planned vacations since long ago for July 6. I checked the Swiss website and my flight has no been cancelled. It seems SWISS/Edelweiss are restarting international connections on the first week of June, at least 1 flight per week and several flights per week by the end of June.

A link from the SWISS site sent me to this comprehensive list of current travel restrictions by country/island due to coronavirus https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm
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Old 14.05.2020, 11:40
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Checked flightradar24.com earlier today and saw a flight from Zurich to NYC and another to Shanghai. But, there are very few passenger flights at the moment, almost any plane you click on is a cargo one.

I planned vacations since long ago for July 6. I checked the Swiss website and my flight has no been cancelled. It seems SWISS/Edelweiss are restarting international connections on the first week of June, at least 1 flight per week and several flights per week by the end of June.

A link from the SWISS site sent me to this comprehensive list of current travel restrictions by country/island due to coronavirus https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm

Just check regularly as they will fly with a reduced fleet initially apparently. My flights early June were already changed.
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Old 14.05.2020, 11:43
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I don't see why you couldn't simply have the plastic screen between seats (and ideally, something moveable so that an adult can interact with their children). Maybe the distance is sufficient, but in that concept the guy sitting backwards is facing the two side passengers from the row behind
Not as simple as you'd hope. Problem with adding screens between seats is that you'd need to prove there is no effect on emergency evacuation requirements. Even if it is moveable it has to go somewhere. Next problem is that you're adding weight/adding fastener points to an approved part, it would need to be designed and certified by the seat manufacturer if it was to be apporved any time soon.
There are also not many transparent plastics that pass flammability/heat release/smoke density requirements when they are of that size, not to mind the vibration loads for unsupported sheets wobbling around the place causing stress fractures. Decompression loads would be very interesting for such a part.

These are all problems which could be solved to some degree, but the emergency exit access would be the painful one.
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Old 14.05.2020, 11:57
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Re: Coronavirus

Just read that they have approved a "100% accurate" antibody test approved for use in the UK:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9513416.html
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I think biggest disadvantage is for people with car-sickness. My wife is also unable to travel backwards in busses and trains without a puking bag.
Well people like her could always pay to reserve a forward facing seat. I'd be happy to take the cheapo backward facing one.
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Just read that they have approved a "100% accurate" antibody test approved for use in the UK:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9513416.html
The 100% is highly suspicious. I am not in the business any more, but AFAIK, 100% is impossible to achieve. I wonder how they validated the test? Interesting also the comment that this test does not mean a biological type passport is now viable - is that because the presence of antibodies does not imply immunity and/or the 100% number is nonsense?
Is it a marketing decision rather than a technical one that they don't have a pregnancy type test?
Anyone out there better informed and prepared to divulge?
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The 100% is highly suspicious. I am not in the business any more, but AFAIK, 100% is impossible to achieve. I wonder how they validated the test? Interesting also the comment that this test does not mean a biological type passport is now viable - is that because the presence of antibodies does not imply immunity and/or the 100% number is nonsense?
Is it a marketing decision rather than a technical one that they don't have a pregnancy type test?
Anyone out there better informed and prepared to divulge?
99,5 rounded up gives 100
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Old 14.05.2020, 12:37
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Are you joking? Millions of people who are currently unemployed due to Coronavirus are totally employable when the economy is going. They don't have "low employability".
The same people who ignore the dead among the 65+, and implicitly declare them as irrelevant by doing so, keep using the costs and consequences of the economic downturn as an argument against the lockdown.

I'm doing likewise in my post and arbitrarily declare the consequences among those of working age, I'm using the same inhumane illogic. Interestingly enough there's no counterargument so far.
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The same people who ignore the dead among the 65+, and implicitly declare them as irrelevant by doing so, keep using the costs and consequences of the economic downturn as an argument against the lockdown.

I'm doing likewise in my post and arbitrarily declare the consequences among those of working age, I'm using the same inhumane illogic. Interestingly enough there's no counterargument so far.
If somebody points at a truck and says "that's a nice bike" nobody feels the need to come up with counterarguments, we just silently think "what a dumbass"
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Old 14.05.2020, 12:46
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Just read that they have approved a "100% accurate" antibody test approved for use in the UK:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9513416.html
It's the Roche test that was announced a week or two ago. IIRC accuracy is claimed at something like 99.8%.
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Is there any information on flights to EU from Geneva?
I've got flight home in mid June, and the airline (LOT) is showing all is ok..
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Good news for people going for sun and warmer beaches this summer. Prospective Edelweiss flights for next June https://www.flyedelweiss.com/EN/aler...d-flights.aspx July is expected to be normal.
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...Interesting also the comment that this test does not mean a biological type passport is now viable - is that because the presence of antibodies does not imply immunity...
Yes, this.

At present no-one knows if antibodies will confer immunity, if so how many do you need for immunity (seems those that had a mild disease only have a few antibodies and may not be immune) or how long they will protect you (seems likely to be from a few months to maximum a year or two).
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The same people who ignore the dead among the 65+, and implicitly declare them as irrelevant by doing so, keep using the costs and consequences of the economic downturn as an argument against the lockdown.

I'm doing likewise in my post and arbitrarily declare the consequences among those of working age, I'm using the same inhumane illogic. Interestingly enough there's no counterargument so far.
I wonder if we should be doing more to ensure that old people can stay at home (that is to say not enter indoor public spaces - I don't think its humane to keep old folk locked inside their houses).

At some point, we have to start having different standards of lockdown for different groups of people. I really believe its possible to do this in a way that allows older people to live a comparatively normal life.

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Old 14.05.2020, 14:10
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The 100% is highly suspicious. I am not in the business any more, but AFAIK, 100% is impossible to achieve.
It's 100% specificity. I.e. no false positives. (But yes, more likely 99.9% or something).
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Old 14.05.2020, 14:17
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It seems SWISS/Edelweiss are restarting international connections on the first week of June, at least 1 flight per week and several flights per week by the end of June.

A link from the SWISS site sent me to this comprehensive list of current travel restrictions by country/island due to coronavirus https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm
Great IATA link. Thank you!

Swiss are still flying passenger flights to the UK, predominently to Heathrow. Skyscanner and the arrivals page of individual airports give a good idea of the situation.
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Old 14.05.2020, 14:23
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At some point, we have to start having different standards of lockdown for different groups of people. I really believe its possible to do this in a way that allows older people to live a comparatively normal life.
Sorry to repeat myself, but of (now) 14 households I know personally who are in self-isolation in the UK on the 12 week government advice, 9 of them are shielding children. One is a very close friend who's 40yrs old and also the deputy head teacher of a secondary school. Another is an architect whose 11yr old daughter has cystic fibrosis. We need to break this misconception of the over 65's being the main focus.
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