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It's 100% specificity. I.e. no false positives. (But yes, more likely 99.9% or something).
Here's a link to an article presenting the various antibody tests/outcomes. Roche's was 99.8% and Abbott's was 99.5%. But as Baboon already mentioned, the presence of antibodies does not necessarily confer immunity.

https://www.evaluate.com/vantage/art...tibody-testing
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Old 14.05.2020, 14:03
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From BBC Radio Manchester's brilliant series 'Diary of an ICU Nurse'. The nurse in this clip works on the dedicated, newly built covid ward at my hometown hospital, alongside one of my friends, so yes, it's in a proper Wigan accent but worth a listen.

https://www.facebook.com/bbcmanchest...1735990468712/

10 May - a better news clip https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08csdjy
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Sorry to repeat myself, but of (now) 14 households I know personally who are in self-isolation in the UK on the 12 week government advice, 9 of them are shielding children. One is a very close friend who's 40yrs old and also the deputy head teacher of a secondary school. Another is an architect whose 11yr old daughter has cystic fibrosis. We need to break this misconception of the over 65's being the main focus.
And if we could get that through to the crowds braying to reopen UK primary schools without insufficient planning and prep that would be great.
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Here's a link to an article presenting the various antibody tests/outcomes. Roche's was 99.8% and Abbott's was 99.5%. But as Baboon already mentioned, the presence of antibodies does not necessarily confer immunity.

https://www.evaluate.com/vantage/art...tibody-testing
And this is why I cannot understand the Swedish method. Economy also going down the drain, lots of death that could have been prevented while fully going for herd-immunity while it has not even been proven that herd-immunity is achievable with this disease. Nobody knows how much anti-bodies are needed to be immune, and nobody knows how long the anti-bodies last and there are reports of people who had the disease but now have no anti-bodies.
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Exactly.

I saw the leader of the teacher's union interviewed on Sky News yesterday and he rightly said, if you're a infant school not linked to the upper primary school, and you have to limit your class sizes to 15 pupils, you literally don't have enough classrooms to accomodate the years that the government want to be back in school in June.

I know quite a few schools like this, predominently CofE schools, where they have infant, middle and high schools at different locations. The RC schools I know tend to have reception to year 7 in one location, so they could probably manage it.

My deputy head teacher friend just posted this article... https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...VwQOaRDNermihV
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Exactly.

I saw the leader of the teacher's union interviewed on Sky News yesterday and he rightly said, if you're a infant school not linked to the upper primary school, and you have to limit your class sizes to 15 pupils, you literally don't have enough classrooms to accomodate the years that the government want to be back in school in June.

I know quite a few schools like this, predominently CofE schools, where they have infant, middle and high schools at different locations. The RC schools I know tend to have reception to year 7 in one location, so they could probably manage it.

My deputy head teacher friend just posted this article... https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...VwQOaRDNermihV
Teachers clapping for key workers but refusing to go to work themselves every other workplace sorted out distancing withing a week. Teaching Unions have their own agendas though. Schools open in Switzerland.
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Teachers clapping for key workers but refusing to go to work themselves every other workplace sorted out distancing withing a week. Teaching Unions have their own agendas though. Schools open in Switzerland.

Are you contradicting this because of the fun of it? What is then your solution please?


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Are you contradicting this because of the fun of it? What is then your solution please?


Same as here, alternate days in school, it's not rocket science.

It's also clear what the Teachers Unions are doing, they've sniffed the chance to throw the economy (further) into turmoil by refusing to return to work over spurious "safety" claims. They know that if they don't go back to work then millions of parents won't either as they'll be stuck at home caring for their kids. Yet I bet they'll all be stood there at 8pm tonight clapping doctors and nurses (police, postal workers, shelf stackers, warehouse workers...) who have no choice but to go to an "unsafe" workplace. It's a UK thing.
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The old tired Daily Wail "Teachers are Lazy" meme
Are you related to DerDieDas - post 37 and onward here: https://www.englishforum.ch/educatio...eductions.html
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They know that if they don't go back to work then millions of parents won't either as they'll be stuck at home caring for their kids. Yet I bet they'll all be stood there at 8pm tonight clapping doctors and nurses (police, postal workers, shelf stackers, warehouse workers...) who have no choice but to go to an "unsafe" workplace. It's a UK thing.
It may have escaped your notice, but UK schools haven't been closed! They've been teaching the children of other essential workers. As for children attennding on alternate days, what childcare would you advise for the alternate days which would allow parents to return to work full time?
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It may have escaped your notice, but UK schools haven't been closed! They've been teaching the children of other essential workers. As for children attennding on alternate days, what childcare would you advise for the alternate days which would allow parents to return to work full time?
Current school attendance is around 2%.
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Sorry to repeat myself, but of (now) 14 households I know personally who are in self-isolation in the UK on the 12 week government advice, 9 of them are shielding children. One is a very close friend who's 40yrs old and also the deputy head teacher of a secondary school. Another is an architect whose 11yr old daughter has cystic fibrosis. We need to break this misconception of the over 65's being the main focus.
My post above does not exclude the possibility of other groups being shielded in the same manner. Certainly with a serious lung condition like cystic fibrosis that's an absolute no-brainer.

That said, it is just a fact that the majority of the deaths are in elderly age groups, and very few children die, even those with notable pre-existing conditions (not taking away from the seriousness of cystic fibrosis - that one I would really would be shielding with).

We need to move away from the idea of a "healthy 70 year old". Sure, you may do better than your peers if you have no pre-existing conditions, but you are still at risk at 70, healthy or not.
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My post above does not exclude the possibility of other groups being shielded in the same manner. Certainly with a serious lung condition like cystic fibrosis.

That said, it is just a fact that the majority of the deaths are in elderly age groups, and very few children die, even those with notable pre-existing conditions .

We need to move away from the idea of a "healthy 70 year old". Sure, you may do better than your peers if you have no pre-existing conditions, but you are still at risk at 70, healthy or not.
We need to get rid of the idea of people of age 70 with a pre-existing condition being "old shit that was about to die soon anyway"
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That too! People are dying who could have 20 years left. Being honest about the risk 70 years old face is part of looking after that age group. I see 70 and 80 year old in migros all the time - shouldn't we be ensuring this group of people are getting deliveries.

Or even have someone do their shopping for them while they wait near the entrance or something. As I've said, I don't want to lock down elderly people completely - just consider preventing them from going indoors in public spaces.
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That too! People are dying who could have 20 years left. Being honest about the risk 70 years old face is part of looking after that age group. I see 70 and 80 year old in migros all the time - shouldn't we be ensuring this group of people are getting deliveries.

Or even have someone do their shopping for them while they wait near the entrance or something. As I've said, I don't want to lock down elderly people completely - just consider preventing them from going indoors in public spaces.
YOU know where to stuff that!
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This is CH. You don't have to do all that painful and expensive stuff here.
in her profile, the lady says she is an actress. Maybe in that sort of work these things are not optional?
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That too! People are dying who could have 20 years left. Being honest about the risk 70 years old face is part of looking after that age group. I see 70 and 80 year old in migros all the time - shouldn't we be ensuring this group of people are getting deliveries.

Or even have someone do their shopping for them while they wait near the entrance or something. As I've said, I don't want to lock down elderly people completely - just consider preventing them from going indoors in public spaces.
I say let them get on with it, they know what they are doing.
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That too! People are dying who could have 20 years left. Being honest about the risk 70 years old face is part of looking after that age group. I see 70 and 80 year old in migros all the time - shouldn't we be ensuring this group of people are getting deliveries.

Or even have someone do their shopping for them while they wait near the entrance or something. As I've said, I don't want to lock down elderly people completely - just consider preventing them from going indoors in public spaces.
shouldn't we be ensuring this group of people are getting deliveries.

Great . I will prepare my shopping list for you. I will expect it to be delivered exactly at 9am every day.! Dont expect any tip!
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It's 100% specificity. I.e. no false positives. (But yes, more likely 99.9% or something).
Yes I read that too. Its a fact that there are so many corona viruses out there and you are likely to get some kind of cross-reactivity - no false positives?? really?? amazing and great if it is true. No information on how quantitative it is - no doubt the regulatory authorities are party to a lot more information -it would be nice if they would trust the public with being able to digest more than just these simple numbers.
The issue for me is very personal: I would like to take the test with the knowledge that if it comes back positive my chances of catching corona are very small - as small as the standard protection after vaccination against say yellow fever or measles. If it can't provide this kind of information, what is the point of the test?
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Sorry to repeat myself, but of (now) 14 households I know personally who are in self-isolation in the UK on the 12 week government advice, 9 of them are shielding children. One is a very close friend who's 40yrs old and also the deputy head teacher of a secondary school. Another is an architect whose 11yr old daughter has cystic fibrosis. We need to break this misconception of the over 65's being the main focus.
Have seen and read about the inflammatory syndrome in kids related to covid-19 i.e. heart attacks and it's scary stuff. OK, let's say a kid must be very unlucky to develop this sort of inflammatory response, but what about their pulmonary function long term if they get this virus? It is already known it can leave terrible scars and it can take years to recover completely. (if)
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