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Re: Coronavirus

So dumb this Tracing App and its only to get money for the developers!


"The long awaited pilot phase of the Corona Tracing app begins next week. The application installed on smartphones informs its users when they have had contact with a person reported as infected who also uses the app. The decisive factor is whether the contact lasted longer than 15 minutes and the distance was less than two meters. The contact persons should go to quarantine after being informed of this on their cell phone."

So the contact person goes into quarantine. Comes out of quarantine a couple of weeks later and then makes another contact with an infected-back to square one. Sooooo f..ing dumb!! Another one of the million dumb apps for the " smartphone "!

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/corona-...l-817675145785

Berset: " this app will be a game changer ". The only "game changer" will be when he goes back to digging roads.

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Old 15.05.2020, 10:06
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Has anyone considered the increase in suicides and drug overdoses given a sustained lockdown? I refer to the US here (sorry Urs Max but there is life outside Switzerland!)

Yes, there's 7+ billion people outside Switzerland (of which USA ~4%). Albeit, my area of influence is far from reaching all that people. There are things you cannot change, it's a personal choice to accept them or suffer them.
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Yes, there's 7+ billion people outside Switzerland (of which USA ~4%). Albeit, my area of influence is far from reaching all that people. There are things you cannot change, it's a personal choice to accept them or suffer them.
This crisis resembles Eastern European experiences.
- closed borders
- massive and relatively sudden unemployment after the collapse of common market
- IMF agreements that proved to be disastrous for many many sectors - closed factories, dubious privatisations, dubious repossessions, low investments in the public sectors etc etc
And I can come up with more similarities. Nobody cried for us back then. People had to accept, adapt and survive.

Your turn guys, 'cause for us there was always a crisis. "Crisis? What crisis? We've always lived in a crisis." (to quote someone from back home)
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Re: Coronavirus

Guy from work just came back from overseas and can't come in because he has to quarantine for 14 days yet I saw him at the shops yesterday!
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Old 15.05.2020, 11:39
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This crisis resembles Eastern European experiences.
- closed borders
- massive and relatively sudden unemployment after the collapse of common market
- IMF agreements that proved to be disastrous for many many sectors - closed factories, dubious privatisations, dubious repossessions, low investments in the public sectors etc etc
And I can come up with more similarities. Nobody cried for us back then. People had to accept, adapt and survive.

Your turn guys, 'cause for us there was always a crisis. "Crisis? What crisis? We've always lived in a crisis." (to quote someone from back home)
Emerging economy exceptionalism? It's a curious phenomenon, if you talk to people from Latin American they'll tell you there were more affected by the IMF. If you talk to someone from Eastern Europe, you'll listen to the same. The Greek have fond memories of the EU a few years ago. It's like a competition to find who had it worse, a competition with no winners.

In any case, better prepare for the next 2 years. Maybe I lack some sense of humor, I don't find the fun in being a turkey looking forward to Christmas.
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Re: Coronavirus

More information regarding Russian numbers.

Apparently their ministry of health issued an directive earlier this year to attribute deaths of people with pre-condition(s) to pre-conditions, not COVID. I.e. if a guy with cancer got COVID and died, the cause of death will be cancer, not COVID.

This could explain the lower mortality (besides the explanation that it is always lower at the beginning).
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Old 15.05.2020, 11:49
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Re: Coronavirus

In the US ca. 48 States have now announced plans to reopen despite the curve being flat, indeed the last few days rising again. Take Texas as an example, one of the first to reopen. I hope they know what they are doing, see graph below.
Compare with the White House guideline "Downward trajectory of influenza-like illnesses (ILI) reported within a 14-day period AND Downward trajectory of covid-like syndromic cases reported within a 14-day period"
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More information regarding Russian numbers.

Apparently their ministry of health issued an directive earlier this year to attribute deaths of people with pre-condition(s) to pre-conditions, not COVID. I.e. if a guy with cancer got COVID and died, the cause of death will be cancer, not COVID.

This could explain the lower mortality (besides the explanation that it is always lower at the beginning).

What is actually the correct way of counting that? With mixed conditions, do you take the worst one?
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Re: Coronavirus

Louisiana and Michigan look even worse, with new spikes. Surprisingly, the most freaky Georgia and Florida still look decent (not rising, or not sharply rising).
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What is actually the correct way of counting that? With mixed conditions, do you take the worst one?
According to WHO, once the illness has been confirmed, it all should be counted as COVID-deaths.
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No idea about the US but I read yesterday that suicides in Japan are down about 20%.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...stress-factors
As a person living a miserable life and having to stay 3-4 months a year inside, I must admit that it feels somewhat satisfying that all others are now also in deep s**t. Kind of forced empathy. Maybe it makes suicidal people feel less miserable too.
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Re: Coronavirus

Scientists don’t yet know whether having the virus confers immunity....reality has never stopped coders from coding

It could come in handy in strategic sectors to, for example, prevent all the workers at a nuclear power plant from getting sick at once.......because coders are so intelligent, people in charge of nuclear power plants have never made plans to deal with crisis, ever

Nuclear power plants have strategies to deal even with war. The people most crucial for the operation of the plant move to live and work there on 1 month shifts. The others are literally hidden on a bunker.

Of course blockchain is used. This makes me confident it will never pass beyond offer phase. Those passports are a solution looking for a problem to solve. Hope any cantonal or federal authorities don't waste money on them.
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Scientists don’t yet know whether having the virus confers immunity....reality has never stopped coders from coding

It could come in handy in strategic sectors to, for example, prevent all the workers at a nuclear power plant from getting sick at once.......because coders are so intelligent, people in charge of nuclear power plants have never made plans to deal with crisis, ever

Nuclear power plants have strategies to deal even with war. The people most crucial for the operation of the plant move to live and work there on 1 month shifts. The others are literally hidden on a bunker.

Of course blockchain is used. This makes me confident it will never pass beyond offer phase. Those passports are a solution looking for a problem to solve. Hope any cantonal or federal authorities don't waste money on them.
Simply shows the greed of these Swiss firms and researchers to make the big bucks!Thats ALL they are concerned about! The Swiss firms at their worst. And of course with the full support of Swiss politicians
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Scientists don’t yet know whether having the virus confers immunity....reality has never stopped coders from coding
Yeah, you just pre-process the input variable later, to account for reality. Or even make a separate code to convert reality into a format, which is suitable for feeding you code. And make a new file extension ".pprif" pre-processed-reality-interface-file
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Re: Coronavirus

Very interesting twitter thread about the process of flying into Hong Kong airport with their current regulations.

'I’ve landed in Hong Kong after flying from Paris CDG, via London Heathrow. I now have to wait ~8 hours before I get my #COVID19 test results and thus have ample time to tweet about my experience.'
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