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What is your definition of "safe"?
Indeed, safe is not the best word. Secured is less ambiguous, summer vacations secured in the sense of making a reservation back in January and being able to use it next July.
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Old 19.05.2020, 21:16
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Meanwhile Netherlands is making a joke of themselves.

Mouthmasks will become mandatory in public transport, but feel free to use whatever rubbish you want to use like wearing a hoodie backwards since using any proper mask like FFP2/FFP3 or Chirurgical masks type II/IIR will be forbidden and you still get a fine for using proper masks instead of rubbish.

Source: every Dutch paper and the press conference of this evening.
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Meanwhile Netherlands is making a joke of themselves.

Mouthmasks will become mandatory in public transport, but feel free to use whatever rubbish you want to use like wearing a hoodie backwards since using any proper mask like FFP2/FFP3 or Chirurgical masks type II/IIR will be forbidden and you still get a fine for using proper masks instead of rubbish.

Source: every Dutch paper and the press conference of this evening.
the world has gone mad

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Corona Virus could be weakening. Its no longer on the top of the " EF quickies " list

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The end of the "free market" concept ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/19/b...gtype=Homepage

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Meanwhile Netherlands is making a joke of themselves.

Mouthmasks will become mandatory in public transport, but feel free to use whatever rubbish you want to use like wearing a hoodie backwards since using any proper mask like FFP2/FFP3 or Chirurgical masks type II/IIR will be forbidden and you still get a fine for using proper masks instead of rubbish.

Source: every Dutch paper and the press conference of this evening.
Sounds really sensible to me.
The proper masks are for health professionals - it is a supply problem. Also a user problem as everyone sees how people who are unused to working in "sterile" environments often misuse these masks
A reversed hoodie is probably a good and easy method of reducing your water droplet contribution to the shared air. Since it is personal and reusable, you will not discard it and it will hopefully be washed at regular intervals. It will even offer some protection.

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Sounds really sensible to me.
The proper masks are for health professionals - it is a supply problem. Also a user problem as everyone sees how people who are unused to working in "sterile" environments often misuse these masks
A reversed hoodie is probably a good and easy method of reducing your water droplet contribution to the shared air. Since it is personal and reusable, you will not discard it and it will hopefully be washed at regular intervals. It will even offer some protection.
Sound like fake news Erwin is throwing out. Wheres the link to such reports!!
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Old 20.05.2020, 08:47
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Fixed that for you.
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Sounds really sensible to me.
The proper masks are for health professionals - it is a supply problem. Also a user problem as everyone sees how people who are unused to working in "sterile" environments often misuse these masks
A reversed hoodie is probably a good and easy method of reducing your water droplet contribution to the shared air. Since it is personal and reusable, you will not discard it and it will hopefully be washed at regular intervals. It will even offer some protection.
I know the reason they give, but how can they still have problems with supplies for their own medical people??? Stores already for some days are selling from huge stocks. And people are pissed off, friend of mine just spend hundreds of Euro's on proper masks for himself and his family who have to rely on public transport and now it becomes illegal to use those.
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Old 20.05.2020, 09:37
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Re: Coronavirus

Another day, another few billions wasted away and another few thousand jobs lost to fight a virus with a >99.5% infection survival rate. The cure has been FAR worse than the disease!

Thank the Lord Switzerland has realised this and the country is opening up! Pray for the countries that have put so much fear into their citizens that they're too terrified to return to work!
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Old 20.05.2020, 10:00
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Sound like fake news Erwin is throwing out. Wheres the link to such reports!!
Couldn't find any links either, although I searched in Dutch.

But I found this.
Made me think of candid camera and I'm not the only ony I learnt further down in the article.

Makes one wonder: How much can you/will they make people do in the name of corona?
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Old 20.05.2020, 10:03
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I'm by no means an anti-vaxxer, however I'll need some convincing to take vaccine that has been rushed through in a matter of months for a virus that has a 99.8% survival rate.
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Another day, another few billions wasted away and another few thousand jobs lost to fight a virus with a >99.5% infection survival rate. The cure has been FAR worse than the disease!
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Oh No! The death rate has doubled in just a couple of days.

Time to start taking prophylactic hydroxychloroquine
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Couldn't find any links either, although I searched in Dutch.

But I found this.
Made me think of candid camera and I'm not the only ony I learnt further down in the article.

Makes one wonder: How much can you/will they make people do in the name of corona?
Really wondering what you searched for if you found nothing, it really is in every Dutch paper and every news site.

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...ven/mondkapjes

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Is een niet-medisch mondkapje verplicht in het openbaar vervoer?
Ja, vanaf 1 juni 2020 is een niet-medisch mondkapje verplicht voor reizigers van 13 jaar en ouder en OV-personeel.
As of the 1st of June a non-medical mouth mask is mandatory for all passengers with a minimum age of 13 and all employees in public transport.

Fine is 95,- Euro.
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Old 20.05.2020, 10:36
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Time to start taking prophylactic hydroxychloroquine
Yes, about that

You keep holding Donald Trump to account!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-treatment
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Old 20.05.2020, 10:45
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https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...ven/mondkapjes



As of the 1st of June a non-medical mouth mask is mandatory for all passengers with a minimum age of 13 and all employees in public transport.

Fine is 95,- Euro.

I couldn't find the part about fines for wearing ffp2 or ffp3 masks.
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virus with a >99.5% infection survival rate.
One thing is survival rate, another is recovery. For some people recovery may take months and be incomplete. Or cause disability like that guy, who had his leg amputated... So, no, the positive outcome is not 99.5%, not at all.
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One thing is survival rate, another is recovery. For some people recovery may take months and be incomplete. Or cause disability like that guy, who had his leg amputated... So, no, the positive outcome is not 99.5%, not at all.
Positive outcome is probably higher than 99.5%, I believe 99.5% to be a conservative estimate. Whilst one guy has had his leg amputated, the vast majority haven't!

The odds of children under 15 dying from Coronavirus are 5 million to 1 yet there are countries which still haven't opened schools. Whilst excusable at the beginning of the pandemic, the continued lockdown and hysteria over this virus is completely irrational.
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Old 20.05.2020, 11:08
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Re: Coronavirus

Trump calls the high amount of infections in his country a badge of honor. It means testing is working.


That's one (irresponsible) way to look at it.


https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news...7bba956fe22235
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I couldn't find the part about fines for wearing ffp2 or ffp3 masks.
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The Dutch do qualify FFP2 and FFP3 masks as medical masks in their rulings.
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The Dutch do qualify FFP2 and FFP3 masks as medical masks in their rulings.

I understand. It doesn't say though that you can be fined if you wear one.
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Positive outcome is probably higher than 99.5%, I believe 99.5% to be a conservative estimate. Whilst one guy has had his leg amputated, the vast majority haven't!

The odds of children under 15 dying from Coronavirus are 5 million to 1 yet there are countries which still haven't opened schools. Whilst excusable at the beginning of the pandemic, the continued lockdown and hysteria over this virus is completely irrational.
In general schools are not so small virus factories. The contribution of kids to the spread of this virus is unknown, largely because they are rarely affected badly.
The increased risk when schools open is also to the general population.
What is irrational, is a blindness to reasoned argument, and distorting and cherrypicking "facts"- the lockdown is not being simply continued - in most countries there is a relaxation, probably too soon in the UK and USA, but hey its only human life at risk.
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