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Yes, 9 MILLION! And there’s been something like less than 20 new infections a day for over a week now. This is no longer a risk to justify lockdown!
Also as for numbers, he said that in London 17% have had the virus, but also that outside London only 5% have had it. Now surely there might be a younger population in London or they tested much more, but it would give the UK outside of London of more than double as high death-rate than in London itself.

He also said that they estimate that currently 0.25% of the population is currently having the disease, and that 8.700 people each day still get infected, which roughly translates to one out of 12 infected people being in the hospital or ending up in the hospital.

I don't think the numbers already justify to get rid of the lock-down.
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Old 22.05.2020, 20:30
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World wide it would seem that all govts will use the excuse of Corona virus to maintain more ( and extend ) control over their populations!
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Old 22.05.2020, 20:31
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Have you ever wondered what made those numbers become so low?

And might the answer to that be a reason to gradually ease restrictions instead of just getting rid of them.

And I'm not going to dig but several people including me already predicted long ago that when the lockdown would get the numbers low that people would use those same low numbers to state that lockdown serves no purpose.
Yes, I have wondered, and all the evidence points to social distancing measures having been sufficient to reduce the infection rate. The R rate in Germany has barely changed from before lockdown. Look at the science, it is hard to find any proof that lockdown has achieved anything (apart from wrecking economies).
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Old 22.05.2020, 20:37
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Yes, I have wondered, and all the evidence points to social distancing measures having been sufficient to reduce the infection rate. The R rate in Germany has barely changed from before lockdown. Look at the science, it is hard to find any proof that lockdown has achieved anything (apart from wrecking economies).
Off-course social distancing does the trick, it is the only reason lock-downs do exist, they went into lockdown with the knowledge of that moment and still it took time to get the numbers going down.

And lock-down is many things, and as you can see at many places a lot of people don't fear the virus itself anymore and can't care if they get it or not, due to this restrictions need to stay in place for the time being. How many and which ones and what R0 is deemed acceptable is a personal opinion, I rather keep a bunch of restrictions in place for the time being instead of risking having to go into lock-down again.
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Old 22.05.2020, 21:09
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Old 22.05.2020, 21:24
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You make me laugh, you really do, you realise it’s the JOB of this website to fact-check these numbers?! Do you think they’d be able to publish this if there were any doubt to these numbers?! Now we have internet statisticians correcting professors in statistics
It would be nice if you made me laugh but claiming the professor stated the risk is of 1 in 5 million when he did not give a value to the risk is rather sad.

I am not correcting the professors in statistics (there was only one professor), I am simply correcting your false claim. He never assigned a value to the risk.
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Old 22.05.2020, 21:36
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Hospitalized COVID-19 patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria touted by President Trump, had a much higher risk of death than those who were not, according to a new study of 96,000 patients.

The study, published Friday in the medical journal The Lancet, found that patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine also faced a much higher risk of abnormal heartbeats, called arrhythmias, which could result in cardiac arrest.
Nevertheless, people will keep taking hydroxychloroquine
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Old 22.05.2020, 21:38
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Off-course social distancing does the trick, it is the only reason lock-downs do exist, they went into lockdown with the knowledge of that moment and still it took time to get the numbers going down.

And lock-down is many things, and as you can see at many places a lot of people don't fear the virus itself anymore and can't care if they get it or not, due to this restrictions need to stay in place for the time being. How many and which ones and what R0 is deemed acceptable is a personal opinion, I rather keep a bunch of restrictions in place for the time being instead of risking having to go into lock-down again.

Edwin, have you read about the Hong Kong virus which afflicted many in 1968/1969? I had not either as it did/does not get much press. That virus killed 100,000 Americans and over 1 million worldwide. Eventually, it ran its course.

Here are some interesting articles on that pandemic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/h...c-history.html

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-li...demic-of-1969/

I have a good friend who is a scientist who says that the article posted in the NYT is by a very reputable scientist.
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Old 22.05.2020, 21:50
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Edwin, have you read about the Hong Kong virus which afflicted many in 1968/1969? I had not either as it did/does not get much press. That virus killed 100,000 Americans and over 1 million worldwide. Eventually, it ran its course.

Here are some interesting articles on that pandemic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/h...c-history.html

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-li...demic-of-1969/

I have a good friend who is a scientist who says that the article posted in the NYT is by a very reputable scientist.
I know about it, but definitely not all details. Thx for the links, will let you know once I've absorbed them.
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Old 22.05.2020, 23:50
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Edwin, have you read about the Hong Kong virus which afflicted many in 1968/1969? I had not either as it did/does not get much press. That virus killed 100,000 Americans and over 1 million worldwide. Eventually, it ran its course.

Here are some interesting articles on that pandemic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/h...c-history.html

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-li...demic-of-1969/

I have a good friend who is a scientist who says that the article posted in the NYT is by a very reputable scientist.
It's very interesting, especially that the H3N2 is still with us today circulating as one of the seasonal flu strains. Although Covid-19 is not a flu, one wonders if it's also going to stick around for decades. Seems like it.

Roughly 100k Americans died of the H3N2 flu pandemic between about July 1968 and March 1970 and that was with life continuing pretty much as normal. As of yesterday, according to Worldometers, 96,000 Americans have died in just 4 months - while under some pretty heavy restrictions.

Wouldn't you think in this day and age, after all the pandemics that have come before, we humans would have figured out a better plan for dealing with such things? New strains of viruses are going to come along, pandemics are going to happen, so why was the whole planet seemingly so unprepared?
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Old 22.05.2020, 23:54
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(said she didn't realize how transparent the protective suit was)
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Old 23.05.2020, 00:37
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It's very interesting, especially that the H3N2 is still with us today circulating as one of the seasonal flu strains. Although Covid-19 is not a flu, one wonders if it's also going to stick around for decades. Seems like it.

Roughly 100k Americans died of the H3N2 flu pandemic between about July 1968 and March 1970 and that was with life continuing pretty much as normal. As of yesterday, according to Worldometers, 96,000 Americans have died in just 4 months - while under some pretty heavy restrictions.

Wouldn't you think in this day and age, after all the pandemics that have come before, we humans would have figured out a better plan for dealing with such things? New strains of viruses are going to come along, pandemics are going to happen, so why was the whole planet seemingly so unprepared?

You can't compare the world from 50 years ago to now.

The world (and the economy) was much less interconnected and cities were much smaller and less dense. OK, so NY already had over 7m.
But way less tourists. Because travel by air was very expensive.

I remember visiting Rome in 1990 and then again 25 years later. There were just so much more people there (mostly Asians...).

It is important to point out (the article probably does that) that in the late 60s, there were no direct economic or political relations between China and the US ("Only Nixon could go to China"). Yet, that didn't stop the flu from spreading to the US.

I do believe that COVID19 will be with us for a long time - maybe even forever.
We will see in about a month or two how the case numbers develop once we're fully "opened up". And then there's of course the "flu-season" later in the year.

But now that doctors actually know what they need to be looking for, it should be more "manageable" and (slightly less deadly).

As for being unprepared: I hope it hasn't escaped your attention that the planet has become a giant, crazy circus where we, the people are both paying spectators as well as part of the act.
Rarely anything get's done that isn't a political favor to somebody else and nothing gets done that could ever so slightly be seen as to shine a positive light on a political opponent, even if it's five years down the road.

In this atmosphere, do you think any long-term planing is possible?

The only thing you can do is wear a mask in public transportation, and stock up on masks and hand-sanitizer.

In just four months (almost to the day), this thread has amassed almost half as much postings as the "Trump" thread in three and a half years.
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Old 23.05.2020, 00:38
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Wouldn't you think in this day and age, after all the pandemics that have come before, we humans would have figured out a better plan for dealing with such things? New strains of viruses are going to come along, pandemics are going to happen, so why was the whole planet seemingly so unprepared?
Politicians don't like to spend money on issues that might not occur in their political period, and medical companies will not invest in medicines or tests that might never be needed unless state pays them to do so. And we never know what virus will strike next time or how it mutated, so we don't know the enemy unless we meet him.

Sure some of the more easy things will be better next time, plenty of countries will stockpile on safety materials for medical employees. It's cheap and it looks good. It's also amazing that the government has coffee for months in warehouses but simple protective materials runs out in days.

And if it is very contagious than basically the best method next time will be another lockdown, however if there is enough protective stuff available than it does not have to be so strict as it was this time. Simple example toystores, barbershops and bookstores did not have to close if there would have been gloves, masks and all such available for all.
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Old 23.05.2020, 00:57
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You forgot to say that she got a fine for this.

I wonder if the sole reason was to keep more sanitary and in the time of PPE shortage she just scrubs right after instead of contaminaiting a double layer of clothes? Chinese medical staff shaved their heads to reduce the potential contamination.
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You forgot to say that she got a fine for this.
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well, not a fine but a reproval from the head doctor. patients didn't mind though...
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well, not a fine but a reproval from the head doctor. patients didn't mind though...
True, you are right.
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Nevertheless, people will keep taking hydroxychloroquine
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Got on #71 bus from Luzern to schwarzenberg on Thursday. All seats full after a couple of stops... next few stops full of people wanting to board. Ended up cram packed and driver still stopping to try and let more people on. A mockery given the distance rules.
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Made me check out the link and learn some dutch history; amazing, the dutch republic exports a king to Britain and concentrates on the east indies whilst the Brits suffer orange problems -no wonder the best team in the world with Neeskens and Cruyff could not win the world cup -it was the colour of the shirt
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