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Got on #71 bus from Luzern to schwarzenberg on Thursday. All seats full after a couple of stops... next few stops full of people wanting to board. Ended up cram packed and driver still stopping to try and let more people on. A mockery given the distance rules.
That's why it is strongly recommended to wear a mask in the public transport, because it may not be possible to maintain the 2 m distrance.
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That's why it is strongly recommended to wear a mask in the public transport, because it may not be possible to maintain the 2 m distrance.
The SBB was thinking of having carriages with people wearing masks,and carriages without. Seems nobody is interested in this. Understandably
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Off-course social distancing does the trick, it is the only reason lock-downs do exist, they went into lockdown with the knowledge of that moment and still it took time to get the numbers going down.

And lock-down is many things, and as you can see at many places a lot of people don't fear the virus itself anymore and can't care if they get it or not, due to this restrictions need to stay in place for the time being. How many and which ones and what R0 is deemed acceptable is a personal opinion, I rather keep a bunch of restrictions in place for the time being instead of risking having to go into lock-down again.
Yet every country that has eased their lock down is yet to see a second wave. Kids have returned to school in Switzerland, France, Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Germany, Hungary, Czech Republic, Norway and Poland with no impact on infections rates.
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Off-course social distancing does the trick, it is the only reason lock-downs do exist, they went into lockdown with the knowledge of that moment and still it took time to get the numbers going down.

And lock-down is many things, and as you can see at many places a lot of people don't fear the virus itself anymore and can't care if they get it or not, due to this restrictions need to stay in place for the time being. How many and which ones and what R0 is deemed acceptable is a personal opinion, I rather keep a bunch of restrictions in place for the time being instead of risking having to go into lock-down again.
Well there is no reason to fear the virus anyhow. Viruses are a part of life.The media and " medical experts"and out of touch politicians make it into the boogeyman enemy which it is not.

Heres a few tips for those who have concerns

1️⃣ Stay indoors and make sure you avoid sunlight exposure
2️⃣ Wear face masks everywhere you go and recirculate carbon dioxide throughout the body while reducing oxygen levels
3️⃣ Watch the mainstream news, experience high levels of fear and dramatically increase cortisol levels
4️⃣ Wash your hands 50 times per day with chemical based anti bacterial soap and reduce your bodies natural microbiome defences
5️⃣ Avoid going out in nature or camping in the fresh open air
6️⃣ Avoid the beach at all costs. Grounding your feet on the sand, swimming in the salt water, getting sunlight on your skin and negatively charged ions in the air will be sure to boost your immune system
7️⃣ Don't spend time connecting with other humans and certainly don't hug anyone as this releases feel good hormones
8️⃣ Drink unfiltered water containing fluoride and heavy metals to reduce cognitive function and increase toxicity. And eat genetically modified cereal every morning for breakfast. ����♀️
9️⃣ Stay home, forget about income, untill you can't pay the bills, go and hide yourself and starve, but make sure, you follow the rules.
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Don't contradict the government. Heres what they will do to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBbkMuCrEZo
How is a video of Polish police relevant to us in Switzerland? Do you want to post one from North Korea next?

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Well there is no reason to fear the virus anyhow. Viruses are a part of life.
And potentially a part of death. What is there to fear about Ebola? HIV? The Marburg virus? Rabies? Hantavirus? Dengue fever? Why did they bother eradicating smallpox? These viruses are all just part of life, right?

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Old 23.05.2020, 16:02
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And potentially a part of death. What is there to fear about Ebola? HIV? The Marburg virus? Rabies? Hantavirus? Dengue fever? Why did they bother eradicating smallpox? These viruses are all just part of life, right?
And how are all the posts from what happens in Holland also relevant!?
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Old 23.05.2020, 17:42
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Got on #71 bus from Luzern to schwarzenberg on Thursday. All seats full after a couple of stops... next few stops full of people wanting to board. Ended up cram packed and driver still stopping to try and let more people on. A mockery given the distance rules.
Maybe they didn't get precise instructions and poor driver knows there are 2 buses per hour (probably) and people can be pretty desperate.

As long as everyone is travelling as before, not one willing to walk for shorter distances i.e. a few stops or take the bicycle.....and local transport company can't fix this problem because they don't have enough buses and bus drivers to begin with....why wonder.
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Old 23.05.2020, 17:45
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That's why it is strongly recommended to wear a mask in the public transport, because it may not be possible to maintain the 2 m distrance.
It is strongly recomended but that's all. So in fact very few people here do.
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It is strongly recomended but that's all. So in fact very few people here do.
They have also bashed it out ( police order ) that one should not collect in groups. But still they do that regardless. ( mainly young people ). Some people can never be told anything
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Old 23.05.2020, 23:08
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Re: Coronavirus

Well for those who understand (High) German, here's a senior physician as USZ talking about irrational corona fears and nonsensical interventions that have zero evidence of success and some of the twisted consequences of it all (some of which were also picked up elsewhere, among others by the NYT "where have all the heart attacks gone"):

https://www.medinside.ch/de/post/cor...richt-klartext

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Old 24.05.2020, 00:01
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Well for those who understand (High) German, here's a senior physician as USZ talking about irrational corona fears and nonsensical interventions that have zero evidence of success and some of the twisted consequences of it all (some of which were also picked up elsewhere, among others by the NYT "where have all the heart attacks gone"):

https://www.medinside.ch/de/post/cor...richt-klartext

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Also interesting to read the comments following the article, not all congratulatory, especially since his expertise is not in viruses.

Also, his employer is not so happy
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and "consequences" are not ruled out.

Meanwhile, most US states are attempting to return to normal with varying results.
North Carolina saw new coronavirus cases surge Saturday, marking its highest single-day count of new cases to date.
I hope it works out for all of them.
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Well for those who understand (High) German, here's a senior physician as USZ talking about irrational corona fears and nonsensical interventions that have zero evidence of success and some of the twisted consequences of it all (some of which were also picked up elsewhere, among others by the NYT "where have all the heart attacks gone"):

https://www.medinside.ch/de/post/cor...richt-klartext

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Please read also the 2nd (currently) listed comment from Yuka Nakamura nicely debunking many of the claims in the video.

Or here in the Blick https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/un...d15903859.html
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Also interesting to read the comments following the article, not all congratulatory, especially since his expertise is not in viruses.

Also, his employer is not so happy and "consequences" are not ruled out.

Meanwhile, most US states are attempting to return to normal with varying results.
North Carolina saw new coronavirus cases surge Saturday, marking its highest single-day count of new cases to date.
I hope it works out for all of them.
Yes lockdown was a full panic irrational reaction. It happened. Now time to move on and learn from the experience
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For all those who believe the Sweden model was the way to go or that the lockdown (such as it was in Switzerland) wasn't necessary, an interview with Anneke Linde, predecessor of their current state epidemiologist in the Observer:

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Linde, who oversaw Sweden’s response to swine flu and Sars as state epidemiologist from 2005 to 2013, had until now expressed support for her country’s approach under her successor, Anders Tegnell.

But she has now become the first member of the public health establishment to break ranks, saying she has changed her mind as a result of Sweden’s relatively high death toll compared with that of its neighbours, Denmark, Norway, and Finland.

“I think that we needed more time for preparedness. If we had shut down very early ... we would have been able, during that time, to make sure that we had what was necessary to protect the vulnerable,” Linde told the Observer.

Per capita death rates in Denmark, Finland and Norway, which all put in place far-reaching lockdowns, are now, respectively, four, seven and nine times lower than that of Sweden.
Sweden already has almost twice the Covid-19 death rate of Switzerland and is still running at about 300 deaths per week compared to about 20 here.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...epidemiologist
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Re: Coronavirus

Here's some a current review of things in Belgium. Friday, 22 May 2020
https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-ne...iums-lockdown/
using the very pragmatic measure of real number of deaths per week, compared to the expected number of deaths based on the past five years.

Between 16 March and 3 May, Belgium counted 51% more deaths than usual, its National Public Health Institute (Sciensano) reported on Friday.

Sciensano observed “7,794 more deaths (…) than what was expected based on the last five years,” the institute said.
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The percentage of additional deaths for weeks 14 (30 March – 5 April 5), 15 (6 – 12 April) and 16 (13 – 19 April) reached 81.2%, 95.3% and 71.3% respectively, Sciensano said.
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The total number of deaths from all causes increased considerably each week between 16 March and 12 April, with 8,293 deaths between 30 March and 12 April. “Although the number of deaths per week remains very high, we see a decrease from 13 April,” they said. The previous week was therefore the peak of excess mortality from all causes. This peak occurred four weeks after the first containment measures were applied.


For those interested, these reports are published reguarly, in Dutch and French: https://covid-19.sciensano.be/nl/cov...ische-situatie

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PROVE IT!!! I’ve looked and it’s very hard to find any evidence that a strict lockdown (as opposed to voluntary social distancing) reduced the rate of infection anywhere where it was implemented.
You prove it. I'm busy living it.
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I guess some people value their freedom more than you do. Stockholm syndrome ?
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While we wait either for a vaccine or an inoculation against the virus or for it to simply disappear over time.

In the meantime lets . . . . .

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