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For those hoping that Dominic Cummings would be listed amongst the comings and goings
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Old 25.05.2020, 22:04
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Oh dear, you can lead a horse to water and all that! Unfortunately I see you're defending this with the same level of zeal that you do the EU, or that you attack President Trump.

Here's another study for you to ignore:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...versioned=true
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This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed.
It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
What a waste of my time sending me this incomplete article.

Almost as poor as your amateur and incorrect analysis of the ETH study and associated graphs where your "findings" are opposed to the conclusion reached by the academic authors of the study; that the lockdown was a game-changer.

Farcical that you keep quoting the ETH study which does the exact opposite of supporting your false claim.
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Old 25.05.2020, 22:11
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You know there’s going to be inquiries soon? I’d put my house on them concluding that the majority of infections that resulted in deaths came from hospitals and care homes. You might want to retract your “stupidity” claim or you may (will) end Up with egg on your face!
At least for Switzerland, that's no assumption and you can keep your house. https://www.watson.ch/schweiz/corona...n-altersheimen (this is a repost from TA where it sits behind a paywall). In one canton, all except one deaths occurred not just in care homes in general, but even in the same one.

It's also correct that the Nightingale hospitals in the UK are shutting down due to lack of demand - the one in London had space for 4000 and treated a total of 50something patients. Whether that is because the NHS did well or not I don't know. Despite the apparent need to continue to dramatize for no apparent reason, it's actually a good thing these hospitals were not needed.

However it appears that this side of "the truth" is not welcome here.
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Old 25.05.2020, 23:18
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At least for Switzerland, that's no assumption and you can keep your house. https://www.watson.ch/schweiz/corona...n-altersheimen (this is a repost from TA where it sits behind a paywall). In one canton, all except one deaths occurred not just in care homes in general, but even in the same one.
..none of which means Corvid19 is a nosocomial infection as he claimed. There's a difference, here the infections were brought in from outside.

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It's also correct that the Nightingale hospitals in the UK are shutting down due to lack of demand - the one in London had space for 4000 and treated a total of 50something patients. Whether that is because the NHS did well or not I don't know. Despite the apparent need to continue to dramatize for no apparent reason, it's actually a good thing these hospitals were not needed.
To a fair degree it was because they never had the personal to staff it.
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Old 25.05.2020, 23:33
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..none of which means Corvid19 is a nosocomial infection as he claimed. There's a difference, here the infections were brought in from outside.

People with respiratory viral syndromes that are mild or nonspecific can introduce the virus into hospitals or old people's homes, which can lead to clusters of nosocomial infections.
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People with respiratory viral syndromes that are mild or nonspecific can introduce the virus into hospitals or old people's homes, which can lead to clusters of nosocomial infections.
But they didn't, people with mild symptoms were told to stay TF home and not admitted.

Besides, how stupid do you think the docs are? The first thing they did was separate the stations with Covid-19 patients from the other patients.
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You know there’s going to be inquiries soon? I’d put my house on them concluding that the majority of infections that resulted in deaths came from hospitals and care homes. You might want to retract your “stupidity” claim or you may (will) end Up with egg on your face!
You do say the most absurd things!
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But they didn't, people with mild symptoms were told to stay TF home and not admitted.

Besides, how stupid do you think the docs are? The first thing they did was separate the stations with Covid-19 patients from the other patients.
Some might be confused a little about what nosocomial infections really mean. In reality, there were isolated cases of getting the virus in hospitals, but that was (mostly) at the beginning of the epidemic. They realised very soon that everyone can be a covid patient, apart from other things. As usual a bit of truth here and there, correlation without causation and voila, perfect recipe for conspiracy theories and sinister explanations.
Oh, and the elderly homes were affected so badly because the staff or the visitors or both have brought the virus there. Lack of sufficient tests, staff and patients being tested not as frequently as recommended, is one of the main cause for these dramatic situations. It took a while to understand these places need to be isolated and protected much, much better for some time. Unfortunately there's not enough staff, as these are extremely demanding jobs that not many people want or can do. Yet many comment without stepping a day in an elderly home. So when some of the staff gets sick or at least infected and they need to be isolated/quarantined, there's a real crisis because folks will have all sorts of problems on top of the risk of being or having been infected. Switzerland did so much better than many other countries in these regards, I think. (protecting the elderly)

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Some might be confused a little about what nosocomial infections really mean. In reality, there were isolated cases of getting the virus in hospitals, but that was (mostly) at the beginning of the epidemic. They realised very soon that everyone can be a covid patient, apart from other things. As usual a bit of truth here and there, correlation without causation and voila, perfect recipe for conspiracy theories and sinister explanations.
Oh, and the elderly homes were affected so badly because the staff or the visitors or both have brought the virus there. Lack of sufficient tests, staff and patients being tested not as frequently as recommended, is one of the main cause for these dramatic situations. It took a while to understand these places need to be isolated and protected much, much better for some time. Unfortunately there's not enough staff, as these are extremely demanding jobs that not many people want or can do. Yet many comment without stepping a day in an elderly home. So when some of the staff gets sick or at least infected and they need to be isolated/quarantined, there's a real crisis because folks will have all sorts of problems on top of the risk of being or having been infected. Switzerland did so much better than many other countries in these regards, I think. (protecting the elderly)
50 % of those who died were the elderly in elderly homes. Which is to be expected as they usually have other complicating health problems. So was it necessary to bring the whole of Switzerland to a stop because of this?
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But they didn't, people with mild symptoms were told to stay TF home and not admitted.

Besides, how stupid do you think the docs are? The first thing they did was separate the stations with Covid-19 patients from the other patients.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that as many people don't show any symptoms at all. See for example also this article: https://www.medinside.ch/de/post/die...keine-symptome
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And now the politicians are too paralized by insecurity to end the lockdown. Hardly any new cases now in CH and 2 deaths in the last days.The USA is showing the way. Give the virus the stinky finger and get on with living.
And do something Berset instead of sitting around on your fat arse drinking coffee.

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And now the politicians are too paralized by insecurity to end the lockdown. Hardly any new cases now in CH and 2 deaths in the last days.The USA is showing the way. Give the virus the stinky finger and get on with living.
And do something Berset instead of sitting around on your fat arse drinking coffee.
Who's preventing you from doing anything you want, omtatsat? C'mon, give the virus your stinky finger. In fact, lots of places need staff to continue producing goods and services that are vital for the economy and society. Why don't you...? Are these virus fear collective shaming attempts just another way of telling other people what to do with their lives? Because it seems very undemocratic to me. Soon you'll be assigning tasks and quotas to whom to do what, what to expect in salary terms and which working conditions to be not only happy but grateful for. EU is already on this descending trend, whether we like to admit or not. Leave people alone. CH can decide for itself.
And Berset was quite efficient and admirable if you ask me.
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"It is not until autumn that the parliament has its sitting.
After the last meeting of the Federal Council, both Economy Minister Guy Parmelin (SVP) and Interior Minister Alain Berset (SP) stated that the Federal Council wanted "to get out of emergency law as soon as possible". However, fast is obviously not meant in a few weeks, but in a few months. At the end of April, the Federal Council decided to transpose the emergency ordinances into ordinary federal law. However, he does not want to refer the relevant message to parliament until September. These are exactly the six months that the Federal Council has according to the constitution for this step. If he fails to do so, the first emergency ordinances will no longer apply from mid-September.

The crux of the matter when the Federal Council exits emergency law is not the actual fight against the epidemic, but the economic crisis caused by the epidemic. No emergency law is needed to combat the epidemic. The necessary measures are provided for in the law, said Federal Councilor Berset last Wednesday. The situation with the economic crisis plan is different. Here a transition to ordinary law is needed."
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Old 26.05.2020, 10:13
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And now the politicians are too paralized by insecurity to end the lockdown. Hardly any new cases now in CH and 2 deaths in the last days.The USA is showing the way. Give the virus the stinky finger and get on with living.
And do something Berset instead of sitting around on your fat arse drinking coffee.

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What lockdown? Are you still living before May 11th? Maybe living a crowded city is the problem. Here with the carrots and the cows life is basically back to normal.
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It's also correct that the Nightingale hospitals in the UK are shutting down due to lack of demand - the one in London had space for 4000 and treated a total of 50something patients. Whether that is because the NHS did well or not I don't know. Despite the apparent need to continue to dramatize for no apparent reason, it's actually a good thing these hospitals were not needed.
I fully expect the inquiry to find that Public Health England behaved worse than appallingly. They failed to provide front line workers with PPE and failed to provide sufficient testing early on. NHS managers realising the situation they were in then panicked and cleared all the beds they could to make way for an incoming wave of patients (that never actually happened). This pushed vulnerable elderly patients into care homes where the virus spread like wildfire.

All this because a hopeless government panicked based on a single and now debunked study from Imperial College London whose author was then caught breaking lockdown to sleep with a married woman! Exacerbated by a hysterical press that whipped up a frenzy of fear mongering! What a mess! I predicted that the UK would come out of this as the worse in Europe, I never imagined it would be this bad though!
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I fully expect the inquiry to find that Public Health England behaved worse than appallingly. They failed to provide front line workers with PPE and failed to provide sufficient testing early on. NHS managers realising the situation they were in then panicked and cleared all the beds they could to make way for an incoming wave of patients (that never actually happened). This pushed vulnerable elderly patients into care homes where the virus spread like wildfire. !
It's happening now. Weston-Super-Mare hospital has closed it's doors to everyone - even the the A and E department is closed.

The hospital is overflowing with COVID patients - probably due to the spike in cases after the VE day celebrations.
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What lockdown? Are you still living before May 11th? Maybe living a crowded city is the problem. Here with the carrots and the cows life is basically back to normal.


I take it some people still stay inside to protect themselves while screaming at others to get out and move their lazy asses....'cause....economy!!!
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I take it some people still stay inside to protect themselves while screaming at others to get out and move their lazy asses....'cause....economy!!!
I'm in the office today. Truck traffic is higher than normal on the A1. I left home at 10 AM expecting a nice spring drive only to stay behind a lot of trucks.

Also, road work on between Buchs (AG) and the A1 and more road work on one of the exits of the A1 to Lenzburg....the economy is working
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I fully expect the inquiry to find that Public Health England behaved worse than appallingly. They failed to provide front line workers with PPE and failed to provide sufficient testing early on. NHS managers realising the situation they were in then panicked and cleared all the beds they could to make way for an incoming wave of patients (that never actually happened). This pushed vulnerable elderly patients into care homes where the virus spread like wildfire.

All this because a hopeless government panicked based on a single and now debunked study from Imperial College London whose author was then caught breaking lockdown to sleep with a married woman! Exacerbated by a hysterical press that whipped up a frenzy of fear mongering! What a mess! I predicted that the UK would come out of this as the worse in Europe, I never imagined it would be this bad though!

Your finger is on the wrong pulse. Up a bit... to the... yep. There it is.
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