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I take it some people still stay inside to protect themselves while screaming at others to get out and move their lazy asses....'cause....economy!!!
Our local rail station car park has 134 spaces and always used to be full but now when walking the dogs I see never more than 20 spaces are taken.

So not yet back to normal?
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Old 26.05.2020, 15:54
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I fully expect the inquiry to find that Public HealtEngland behaved worse than appallingly. They failed to provide front line workers with PPE and failed to provide sufficient testing early on. NHS managers realising the situation they were in then panicked and cleared all the beds they could to make way for an incoming wave of patients (that never actually happened). This pushed vulnerable elderly patients into care homes where the virus spread like wildfire.

All this because a hopeless government panicked based on a single and now debunked study from Imperial College London whose author was then caught breaking lockdown to sleep with a married woman! Exacerbated by a hysterical press that whipped up a frenzy of fear mongering! What a mess! I predicted that the UK would come out of this as the worse in Europe, I never imagined it would be this bad though!
"to sleep with a married woman!" I am sure he never slept a wink, another TonyClifton fact-free claim.
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Our local rail station car park has 134 spaces and always used to be full but now when walking the dogs I see never more than 20 spaces are taken.

So not yet back to normal?
Wanted to go to Sihlcity last Saturday, cancelled my plans when the light upfront announced the parking garage to be full and a line of cars was waiting. It's not al back to normal but the days of every day feeling like a Sunday in town are definitely over.
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Old 26.05.2020, 18:49
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Spanish Health Ministry lowers coronavirus death toll by nearly 2,000

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Old 26.05.2020, 18:54
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Our local rail station car park has 134 spaces and always used to be full but now when walking the dogs I see never more than 20 spaces are taken.

So not yet back to normal?
Well, not really back to normal* but everyone seems very relaxed here.

*it's the new normal of course, but I do see people chatting in larger groups carelessly. A few days ago I passed by my former company and folk were outside chatting and smoking. Next to a door that has a big sign with "rauchen verboten" so yeah, things are back to normal perhaps....
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Old 26.05.2020, 19:05
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Spanish Health Ministry lowers coronavirus death toll by nearly 2,000

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7% change, a real game-changer
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7% change, a real game-changer
7% is not joke, I'd say it would be a game changer if your company realised they'd overpaid you by 7% and wanted it back.

Why are they reducing the numbers? Are they running through the tests on deceased people now? Or reevaluating deaths where there were other contributing factors?

Somebody mentioned at work that with the current methods of marking all deaths as covid related, if you jumped out of plane without a parachute and had corona you'd be counted in the corona pile, as opposed to the pile of mush in someones field. I'm guessing thats and appeal to extremes.

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Old 27.05.2020, 00:14
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7% is not joke, I'd say it would be a game changer if your company realised they'd overpaid you by 7% and wanted it back.

Why are they reducing the numbers? Are they running through the tests on deceased people now? Or reevaluating deaths where there were other contributing factors?

Somebody mentioned at work that with the current methods of marking all deaths as covid related, if you jumped out of plane without a parachute and had corona you'd be counted in the corona pile, as opposed to the pile of mush in someones field. I'm guessing thats and appeal to extremes.
7% is peanuts.

"f you jumped out of plane without a parachute and had corona you'd be counted in the corona pile" why do you spread such nonsense?
Where is your evidence?
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Old 27.05.2020, 00:53
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Very nice comparison of Switzerland and Sweden on the Tagi here (requires registration to read).

Amongst other things, it has a nice mapping of anti-Coronavirus measures and (separately) the progress of the disease. Switzerland brought in its maximum lockdown on 17 March. The daily rate of infections continued to increase until 23 March and only then began to decline. Exactly as you would hope with a successful lockdown.

Also shows very nicely how the Swedish outbreak is very much not under control.
The Swedish death rate per million is approaching double the Swiss rate and looks like it will soon overtake France.
The number of daily deaths today in Sweden is around the same as in France although France has a six times larger population.
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Old 27.05.2020, 01:04
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The Swedish death rate per million is approaching double the Swiss rate and looks like it will soon overtake France.
The number of daily deaths today in Sweden is around the same as in France although France has a six times larger population.
And COVID-19 deaths in the USA have just passed 100,000. Yay USA! Leading the world, BY FAR!

It was just a couple of months ago that there wee 15 cases and it would soon be down to zero, the coronavirus would just go away, like magic.
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Old 27.05.2020, 01:05
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Corona " fly-by" over Zürich today

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Old 27.05.2020, 01:20
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And COVID-19 deaths in the USA have just passed 100,000. Yay USA! Leading the world, BY FAR!

It was just a couple of months ago that there wee 15 cases and it would soon be down to zero, the coronavirus would just go away, like magic.
I'm actually expecting a count of how many of the dead are democrats and how many republicans, followed by some intriguing explanation.
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Old 27.05.2020, 01:37
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Some might be confused a little about what nosocomial infections really mean. In reality, there were isolated cases of getting the virus in hospitals, but that was (mostly) at the beginning of the epidemic. They realised very soon that everyone can be a covid patient, apart from other things. As usual a bit of truth here and there, correlation without causation and voila, perfect recipe for conspiracy theories and sinister explanations.
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Oh, and the elderly homes were affected so badly because the staff or the visitors or both have brought the virus there. Lack of sufficient tests, staff and patients being tested not as frequently as recommended, is one of the main cause for these dramatic situations. It took a while to understand these places need to be isolated and protected much, much better for some time.
Definitely, roughly half died in the elderly homes. And yes they were unprepared and severely underequipped at least for quite some time. May have needed additional training as well.

Nonetheless it's to be seen how much effect better equipment will have next time. There's the possibility of asymptomatic cases among them, and if they're infectuous that may mean it's very difficult to keep the virus from doing its thing once it's gotten in. Even isolating all residents for a few weeks may be useless, as the data from USS Theodore Roosevelt may indicate(*).


(*) some 1.2k positives out of 3-4k sailors. They were isolated for at least four weeks, during which they must have tested negative twice and been symptomless afterwards for a few days. ~250 returned to service so far, some 5% tested positive again after boarding the ship. It's unclear whether they relapsed or were reinfected.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that as many people don't show any symptoms at all. See for example also this article: https://www.medinside.ch/de/post/die...keine-symptome
That doesn't mean they're infectuous, especially if they remain asymptomatic. Plus, you may remember the Diamond Princess, where roughly half of the positives showed no symptoms. IIRC two thirds of them developed symptoms later on.

But of course there's also the above, USS Theodore Roosevelt.
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(*) some 1.2k positives out of 3-4k sailors. They were isolated for at least four weeks, during which they must have tested negative twice and been symptomless afterwards for a few days. ~250 returned to service so far, some 5% tested positive again after boarding the ship. It's unclear whether they relapsed or were reinfected.
Don't remember where I read it, I might post the link here some other time, but a relapse is not very probable. Oftentimes it's about false positives. It is not yet very clear what determines them.
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Don't remember where I read it, I might post the link here some other time, but a relapse is not very probable. Oftentimes it's about false positives. It is not yet very clear what determines them.
The group in south-korea that had tested positive later again (out of my head about 95 people), was due to false negatives due to tests not being good enough, those people never had been free from the virus.
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What lockdown? Are you still living before May 11th? Maybe living a crowded city is the problem. Here with the carrots and the cows life is basically back to normal.
Lets call it now a lockout. From state run bathing areas in Zürich. All closed unless you are there for training. And still they charge normal entrance price of 8chf-for 90 minutes time! Then they throw you out. Typical Zurich burocrats
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