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Well, if you want to claim going there for work, it says you have to show proof of that. I´d imagine that this excludes visits.



For the similar situation between Switzerland and Germany, employers could issue a so called commuter permit (not a G permit) stating that the employee works in Switzerland and needs to travel to Germany for work.
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Old 04.06.2020, 17:49
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No, I understood you but work is not visiting. You need proof if you fly in for work, that is not visiting and as said, they could ask for proof.

Why would a visit be exempt?
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Old 04.06.2020, 18:05
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My tiny Migros has installed an automatic red-light system - it bleeps rather aggressively at you when it turns red. Just red and green, no yellow

Such an investment looks like it's here to stay?
Strangely enough I've been to several bigger shops this week which had nothing like this.
Our local Migros has this, but Coop still has a person sitting there counting. Denner doesn't have anyone, just some little green plastic cards hanging up. No more green cards means you're not supposed to enter.

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Your question wasn't totally clear. Do you plan on going for work or just a visit? Weekly or just once?

If it's not for work then you don't fall under the exception you quoted. If it's not weekly visits with proof such as a season ticket, then it also doesn't fall under the exception, even if you make up some fantasy work for the one visit just to try it on.

Your best hope if you want to visit is that they scrap the stupid quarantine. It's too little, too late and imo doesn't serve any real purpose.
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Re: Coronavirus

Time for some Coronavirus parody video's, I reckon.



My Sharona Goodbye Corona - Covid19 Parody video
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Old 04.06.2020, 18:57
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See there is a loophole for people who travel for work, so if it's for visitation perhaps it's the same, hence why I'm curious where to find out.
It's for people who travel to the UK at least once a week for work such as Pilots & cabin crew. Plenty of long haul pilots live outside the UK as they are not UK tax resident, short haul pilots & cabin crew will return home in the UK at the end of their work day.
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According to the Guardian:


All international arrivals into the UK, including returning British residents, will be required to self-isolate for 14 days.
At the same time, UK is going to host two Formula 1 GPs just 10 days after Hungarian GP. Rules are for everyone, huh?
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Old 05.06.2020, 01:08
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Stopping the virus entering care homes and hospitals is easier said than done.
Such establishments have almost as many staff as patients who enter and leave daily and can infect patients, especially if they are asymptomatic.

It might be more practical to implement now because there are better and quicker tests available although probably not yet in sufficient quantities.
I've got a curve ball for you marton.

My brother sent this article because it features the loss of our family friend who I mentioned in another thread. She was 60, physically fit, and drove a 40 mile round trip to get tested for covid on 29 April. She died on 30 April, less than 24hrs later. What sticks out to me in this article is this...

'...Mrs Gudhka said Wigan Council, particularly Jenny Yates for age well (adults), had been supportive in sourcing mass testing at the home on May 1.She said: “Through the testing we found a further nine residents tested positive, of which eight were asymptomatic and one symptomatic.'

https://www.wigantoday.net/health/co...avirus-2857879


I'm absolutely astonished that 8 of 9 positive care home residents were asymtomatic. Also, all the residents who died apparently contracted the virus in hospital. So much of this article is the opposite of my limited understanding of how this virus 'behaves'.
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I've got a curve ball for you marton.

My brother sent this article because it features the loss of our family friend who I mentioned in another thread. She was 60, physically fit, and drove a 40 mile round trip to get tested for covid on 29 April. She died on 30 April, less than 24hrs later. What sticks out to me in this article is this...

'...Mrs Gudhka said Wigan Council, particularly Jenny Yates for age well (adults), had been supportive in sourcing mass testing at the home on May 1.She said: “Through the testing we found a further nine residents tested positive, of which eight were asymptomatic and one symptomatic.'

https://www.wigantoday.net/health/co...avirus-2857879


I'm absolutely astonished that 8 of 9 positive care home residents were asymtomatic. Also, all the residents who died apparently contracted the virus in hospital. So much of this article is the opposite of my limited understanding of how this virus 'behaves'.
I don't think they give enough information to make firm conclusions about where the virus was caught.
There is a lag period before the viral load can be measured and/or symptoms are found. The prolonged close contact associated with corona transmission suggests that multiple doses of the virus in a limited time space increases the rate of transmission greatly.
I doubt that repeat tests were made on the same patient.
Nevertheless, hospitals are notorious as being places for catching infections -care home or hospital? without proper precautions which were probably impossible at the time, they are both not great places for elderly people to be.
The care home is probably keen to "put the blame" on the hospital
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Our local Migros has this, but Coop still has a person sitting there counting. Denner doesn't have anyone, just some little green plastic cards hanging up. No more green cards means you're not supposed to enter.



Your question wasn't totally clear. Do you plan on going for work or just a visit? Weekly or just once?

If it's not for work then you don't fall under the exception you quoted. If it's not weekly visits with proof such as a season ticket, then it also doesn't fall under the exception, even if you make up some fantasy work for the one visit just to try it on.

Your best hope if you want to visit is that they scrap the stupid quarantine. It's too little, too late and imo doesn't serve any real purpose.

Yeahhhh! This bleeping thing sucks. COOP city has it now. When I walked out it beeped really aggressively. As a normal response I lay down on the ground screaming " I didn't do it!!!
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Yeahhhh! This bleeping thing sucks. COOP city has it now. When I walked out it beeped really aggressively. As a normal response I lay down on the ground screaming " I didn't do it!!!
What you don't realise is that it only beeps when you go by. The other beeps are in your mind.
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What you don't realise is that it only beeps when you go by. The other beeps are in your mind.
The security thing also beeps when you walk by with something one has taken without paying. No difference. How should I know its a counter ?The old woman in front of me nearly had a heart attack!
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Old 05.06.2020, 10:36
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Your question wasn't totally clear. Do you plan on going for work or just a visit? Weekly or just once?

If it's not for work then you don't fall under the exception you quoted. If it's not weekly visits with proof such as a season ticket, then it also doesn't fall under the exception, even if you make up some fantasy work for the one visit just to try it on.

Your best hope if you want to visit is that they scrap the stupid quarantine. It's too little, too late and imo doesn't serve any real purpose.
Exceptions have been made during the lockdown for parents visiting their kids.So if they are now doing exceptions for workers perhaps people with court orders to visit their kids in another country would be allowed to be exempt. I doubt anyone here has the answer, I just am not sure who to ring to ask.
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Ironic. When the lowdown was on the swimming state areas were closed and weather was perfect.
And now it's the reverse!
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I noticed this myself, I've only taken out cash once in the last 2.5 months.
for 7 years living in Sweden I used ATM just around 10 times. swish is a key
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Re: Coronavirus

More evidence that lockdown has caused harm, nearly 30% of excess deaths in the UK are non-coronavirus related. The data will need to be analysed in more detail, but already at first glance there appears to be a clear link.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...technicalannex
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Old 05.06.2020, 11:27
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More evidence that lockdown has caused harm, nearly 30% of excess deaths in the UK are non-coronavirus related. The data will need to be analysed in more detail, but already at first glance there appears to be a clear link.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...technicalannex
From your link "undiagnosed COVID-19 could help explain the rise in these deaths."
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"There is not enough evidence to suggest the other theories investigated can explain much of the increase in non-COVID-19 death registrations; these other explanations were reduced hospital capacity and increases in deaths caused by stress-related conditions".
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"The highest numbers of excess non-COVID-19 deaths are seen in care homes"

So no evidende the lockdown has caused harm.
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I don't think they give enough information to make firm conclusions about where the virus was caught....

...The care home is probably keen to "put the blame" on the hospital
I don't see it that way. My thinking is, with so many residents of the care home being asymptomatic, is it possible that the residents who did die in hospital were also asymptomatic at the time they were admitted?

I accept this entire thing is a huge learning curve for virologists, but as a layperson, I've been struck by how many of the vulnerable elderly population can be asymptomatic for weeks, yet younger people can decline rapidly and pass in less than a week of developing their first symptoms. It appears to me that this virus is constantly turning theories on their heads with each passing day.
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Another analysis from the UK shows rates of infection was well in decline before lockdown was implemented.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-lockdown.html
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Exceptions have been made during the lockdown for parents visiting their kids.So if they are now doing exceptions for workers perhaps people with court orders to visit their kids in another country would be allowed to be exempt. I doubt anyone here has the answer, I just am not sure who to ring to ask.
If someone has a court order to visit children in another country, I think calling the Embassy of that country would be a good start. Just rocking up to the border and hoping for no quarantine isn't a solid plan.

Perhaps the Embassy can issue a letter that says the person is exempt, or they can ask for proof of a negative test before the person is allowed to travel, etc. thus making the process easier.
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The security thing also beeps when you walk by with something one has taken without paying. No difference. How should I know its a counter ?The old woman in front of me nearly had a heart attack!
"The security thing also beeps when you walk by with something one has taken without paying." Speaking from experience?
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