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Old 06.06.2020, 00:07
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Singapore is a country where the majority of the outbreaks occurred in worker dorms and not in elderly care facilities. One thing the worker dorms have in common with elder care facilities is closed quarters and density.

I made no mention of surrounding countries and where their outbreaks occurred. Maybe you can give stats here?
Again!, deaths per million surrounding countries
Norway 44
Finland 51
Denmark 101

Sweden 460
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Old 06.06.2020, 00:18
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Singapore is a country where the majority of the outbreaks occurred in worker dorms and not in elderly care facilities. One thing the worker dorms have in common with elder care facilities is closed quarters and density.

I made no mention of surrounding countries and where their outbreaks occurred. Maybe you can give stats here?
Again!, coronavirus deaths per million in Sweden 460

Coronavirus deaths per million in their surrounding countries
Norway 44
Finland 51
Denmark 101

Singapore Coronavirus: 24 Deaths .

With so few deaths this is not really a satistical significant example?
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same true for common flu
And?
The common flu is much much less fatal than ebola and much less fatal than covid-19.
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Re: Coronavirus

This is a good discussion of what is going on in most of europe now;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ies-about-why/
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5500 dead yesterday.
And? Corona is still finished. Get back to living for god's sake!
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And? Corona is still finished. Get back to living for god's sake!
I find it very hard to respond to you without calling you an idiot.

+130,529 new cases yesterday, a new record. Round 2 of lockdown coming soon
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Old 06.06.2020, 10:17
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And? Corona is still finished. Get back to living for god's sake!
What exactly are you having problems doing right now - obviously foreign travel is a bit tricky but what else is stopping you living?
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If someone has a court order to visit children in another country, I think calling the Embassy of that country would be a good start. Just rocking up to the border and hoping for no quarantine isn't a solid plan.

Perhaps the Embassy can issue a letter that says the person is exempt, or they can ask for proof of a negative test before the person is allowed to travel, etc. thus making the process easier.
The issue is upon return to the UK as the Swiss haven't the quarantine. So not sure there is such a thing as a British embassy for brits within London.
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Old 06.06.2020, 13:50
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If someone has a court order to visit children in another country, I think calling the Embassy of that country would be a good start. Just rocking up to the border and hoping for no quarantine isn't a solid plan.
I can't see any reason for an exemption in such circumstances
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Old 06.06.2020, 14:18
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The issue is upon return to the UK as the Swiss haven't the quarantine. So not sure there is such a thing as a British embassy for brits within London.
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I can't see any reason for an exemption in such circumstances
Heck if I know for sure fmf. But imo it doesn't hurt to ask.

But to BLP, I think you misunderstood what I wrote - if you are British and living in Switzerland, and have a court order allowing you to visit your child in the UK, you could contact the British Embassy here (Switzerland) to ask questions. As official reps for the British government, they should know the current laws and whether there are any exceptions.

It doesn't hurt to ask questions from official sources, but realize the answers might not be what you want to hear.
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Old 06.06.2020, 14:57
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Corona is finished but many countries including CH will falsely and consciously extend it out as an excuse to manipulate and control the people
dont think this s a case for CH. For controlling and manipulating people should be a reason. For example - unlimited dictatorship power. for elected government (especially cantonal, like in CH) its just doesnt makes sense
I think they just afraid that situation suddenly becomes worse, so easing step by step and check how it reflects on statistics

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5500 dead yesterday.
this numbers shows nothing. Did you checked how many people died per day for various reasons last years? I believe, not many of us was care about it

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The common flu is much much less fatal than ebola and much less fatal than covid-19.
ebola? why we talking about ebola?
comparing exact numbers for IFR for covid19 doesnt makes much sense atm, due luck of serology tests for total population. but even now, the numbers shows IFR from 0.2 to 0.4, comparing to flu 0.1-0.2

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+130,529 new cases yesterday, a new record.
number of case directly depends on number of tests. is it surprise for you that number of tests increasing from day to day?

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Old 06.06.2020, 15:23
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number of case directly depends on number of tests.
There is a slightly more important variable that you have conveniently overlooked.
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Heck if I know for sure fmf. But imo it doesn't hurt to ask.

But to BLP, I think you misunderstood what I wrote - if you are British and living in Switzerland, and have a court order allowing you to visit your child in the UK, you could contact the British Embassy here (Switzerland) to ask questions. As official reps for the British government, they should know the current laws and whether there are any exceptions.

It doesn't hurt to ask questions from official sources, but realize the answers might not be what you want to hear.
I want to be able to go the other way around.
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Old 06.06.2020, 18:12
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ebola? why we talking about ebola?
comparing exact numbers for IFR for covid19 doesnt makes much sense atm, due luck of serology tests for total population. but even now, the numbers shows IFR from 0.2 to 0.4, comparing to flu 0.1-0.2
"cytokine storms" thought to be responsible for the high mortality rate with ebola. Similar, but less deadly overcooked immune/inflammatory response thought to be responsible for the increase fatality rate seen with covid-19 compared to the normal flu. All relevant to possible drug treatments for the next pandemic.
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Old 06.06.2020, 19:01
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It might be more practical to implement now because there are better and quicker tests available although probably not yet in sufficient quantities.
The tests are probably far too expensive to do them even weekly for care home personnel. IIRC the labs complained that the 100.- to be paid by the Cantons don't cover their costs.
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The issue is upon return to the UK as the Swiss haven't the quarantine. So not sure there is such a thing as a British embassy for brits within London.
If I understand you correcty, BLP, you are now in London. And your children are in Switzerland, and the Court Order says you can see them in Switzerland. If I've got that part right, then you need to ask the Swiss Embassy in London whether you are permitted to enter Switzerland, on account of that Court Order, to see your [minor] children. If I were in that position, I would want their response in writing, to present
  • when trying to buy a ticket to get to Switzerland, and also
  • upon arrival in Switzerland, to be allowed to enter the country.
As you enter Switzerland, you will not be forced to quarantine. At least, I don't think there is any policy to do this, here. (But I hope that, if I've got that part wrong, someone will rush to correct me.)

Switzerland also does not keep people here, so you will always be allowed to leave Switzerland.

If you are a British citizen, you will always be allowed to return and enter the UK.

As you enter the UK, you may or may not be subject to quarantine. For that part, you'd need to ask the authorities in Britain. Sorry, I don't know which those would be, nor how the quarantine works. I hope someone here will be able to provide you with the current rules for those returning to the UK from Switzerland.
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Old 06.06.2020, 20:11
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Re: Coronavirus

This graph published by Kanton Zurich shows the peak of coronavirus cases in wk 13 (22nd March) which seems to blow a big hole in the theory that it was all over before the Bund introduced lockdown measures on 13/16th March.

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I'm absolutely astonished that 8 of 9 positive care home residents were asymtomatic. Also, all the residents who died apparently contracted the virus in hospital. So much of this article is the opposite of my limited understanding of how this virus 'behaves'.
You may remember the Princess Diamond, one of the earliest cruisers to be affected. The first test round among passengers and crew showed that, like, 3/4 of all positives were asymptomatic. But only until then, half or more of the originally asymptomatic did develop symptoms later on.

A similar pattern may apply to your relative and the care home, especially if it was her who brought the virus into that home.
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Graph: New deaths attributed to Covid-19
Data updated June 6 2020 4.50pm BST
Seven-day rolling average of new deaths (per million), by number of days since 0.1 average deaths (per million) first recorded
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/...&values=deaths

Ran the cursor across the various countries. Chile, Peru, Armenia... oh!
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but I'm spitting feathers about these Black Lives matter protests going on around the world.

On a normal day in a normal time I'd be all for it, but now with Corona virus, what the actual hell?

I'm pretty sure more people will die of Corona virus because of these protests. And when you think about the fact that black people seem to be at higher risk of dying from corona virus, people are marching saying black lives matter whilst at the very same time putting them at serious risk.

Yes black lives matter, but they don't seem to care about the tens of thousands that could die if they trigger a second wave
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