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What exactly are you having problems doing right now - obviously foreign travel is a bit tricky but what else is stopping you living?


I've asked the same thing a few times...

Being the cynic that I am, I have little doubt that he and the others who keep moaning are in fact very afraid to resume their lives exactly as they were before.

Don't get the purpose of some of these posts, maybe to sow doubt about governments and their course of action.
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Rant warning.....

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but I'm spitting feathers about these Black Lives matter protests going on around the world.

On a normal day in a normal time I'd be all for it, but now with Corona virus, what the actual hell?

I'm pretty sure more people will die of Corona virus because of these protests. And when you think about the fact that black people seem to be at higher risk of dying from corona virus, people are marching saying black lives matter whilst at the very same time putting them at serious risk.

Yes black lives matter, but they don't seem to care about the tens of thousands that could die if they trigger a second wave
Black, Hispanic americans have much higher Covid mortality rates than average and are more likely to be working on the front line in the hospitals. If not, they more likely to lose their jobs.
Black, hispanic americans much more likely to suffer police harrassment/death
Sorry for the minorities I have not mentioned.
It was the straw that broke the camel's back. Obviously the demonstrations are not helping the immediate covid situation, as the demonstrators must know. Maybe they are thinking long term.
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Rant warning.....

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but I'm spitting feathers about these Black Lives matter protests going on around the world.

On a normal day in a normal time I'd be all for it, but now with Corona virus, what the actual hell?

I'm pretty sure more people will die of Corona virus because of these protests. And when you think about the fact that black people seem to be at higher risk of dying from corona virus, people are marching saying black lives matter whilst at the very same time putting them at serious risk.

Yes black lives matter, but they don't seem to care about the tens of thousands that could die if they trigger a second wave
After being contained in their houses for the last 2 months then this is the breakout.And they have ALOT of energy now from all their couch sitting
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Old 07.06.2020, 10:19
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And don't worry if you need a mask! The Swiss govt has ordered 250 million of them-all at tax payers cost
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Old 07.06.2020, 10:44
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If I understand you correcty, BLP, you are now in London. And your children are in Switzerland, and the Court Order says you can see them in Switzerland. If I've got that part right, then you need to ask the Swiss Embassy in London whether you are permitted to enter Switzerland, on account of that Court Order, to see your [minor] children. If I were in that position, I would want their response in writing, to present
  • when trying to buy a ticket to get to Switzerland, and also
  • upon arrival in Switzerland, to be allowed to enter the country.
As you enter Switzerland, you will not be forced to quarantine. At least, I don't think there is any policy to do this, here. (But I hope that, if I've got that part wrong, someone will rush to correct me.)

Switzerland also does not keep people here, so you will always be allowed to leave Switzerland.

If you are a British citizen, you will always be allowed to return and enter the UK.

As you enter the UK, you may or may not be subject to quarantine. For that part, you'd need to ask the authorities in Britain. Sorry, I don't know which those would be, nor how the quarantine works. I hope someone here will be able to provide you with the current rules for those returning to the UK from Switzerland.
What a bizarre response
I have no issue to enter Switzerland, I'm well aware of this, the issue was the UK quarantine. If others have no valid info to add, fine, fair enough but to speak to me like I"m a child and bring up odd suggestions like the swiss embassy. It's just patronizing.
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What a bizarre response
I have no issue to enter Switzerland, I'm well aware of this, the issue was the UK quarantine. If others have no valid info to add, fine, fair enough but to speak to me like I"m a child and bring up odd suggestions like the swiss embassy. It's just patronizing.
Social distancing has always been. So if before Corona it was 1 metre ( in CH ) from the other person or animal and now its 2 then it is really only 1 metre now.

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All I know is I am tired of getting caught by these flash videos of people having a swab rammed up their nose. How disgusting is that! Should be banned.
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Old 07.06.2020, 13:27
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What a bizarre response
I have no issue to enter Switzerland, I'm well aware of this, the issue was the UK quarantine. If others have no valid info to add, fine, fair enough but to speak to me like I"m a child and bring up odd suggestions like the swiss embassy. It's just patronizing.
Doropfiz is one of the most helpful and least patronizing members here, always trying to find information that can help someone.

You said you were frustrated by the UK quarantine, but it was not clear at first which direction you're traveling. Your profile says you're in Vaud, so I assumed you're here and wanting to go there. However based on this post:
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I want to be able to go the other way around.
You're already in the UK and want to come here for a visit and then return to the UK without quarantine. The only thing I can think of is that if your children are also UK citizens but residing here, you could still contact the embassy here and ask for an exception - based on the fact children have a right to see their parents and Switzerland is presently a very low-risk country. It might be a long shot, but worth a try.

The BBC says the government is considering "corridors" of travel with countries with low infection rates. Switzerland's rates are low now so hopefully that would qualify. But as of today, no corridors established.

You may have already seen this, but just in case not here's the Current UK govt website with exceptions

If you don't need to travel urgently it might be worthwhile to wait a bit longer to see how the situation evolves. The rule only takes effect tomorrow and I imagine we'll see a lot of fuss over the next few days regarding its implementation. Maybe you'll get lucky and the whole thing will get scrapped!

EDIT - I realized there's a third possibility. You might already be here on a visit and planning your return. If you are currently in Switzerland, you could still try to fly out to the UK today, before the quarantine rule takes effect tomorrow.
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Old 07.06.2020, 14:00
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This graph published by Kanton Zurich shows the peak of coronavirus cases in wk 13 (22nd March) which seems to blow a big hole in the theory that it was all over before the Bund introduced lockdown measures on 13/16th March.

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...and to reinforce that, it was announced yesterday that since the lifting of the lockdown measures the R0 rate in Switzerland is back above 1.0. Despite distancing still being required. Fortunately the infection levels are still low so this is not a significant issue. Yet.
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Old 07.06.2020, 14:04
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Guess which country is safest in the world for COVID-19??

Forbes Magazine
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Old 07.06.2020, 14:06
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Guess which country is safest in the world for COVID-19??

Forbes Magazine
Understandable. All those busy little Swiss houswives cleaning all day long. They are the real heroes in this!
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Old 07.06.2020, 17:53
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What a bizarre response
I have no issue to enter Switzerland, I'm well aware of this, the issue was the UK quarantine. If others have no valid info to add, fine, fair enough but to speak to me like I"m a child and bring up odd suggestions like the swiss embassy. It's just patronizing.
I didn't mean my post in any way as patronising, and I'm sorry that it felt that way to you.

I've gone back and re-read your posts in this thread, and I see that roegner tried to answer you, fatmanfilms tried, and 3Wishes tried, repeatedly, and I did, too. And a large part of those efforts went into trying to understand what you actually needed, and then trying to contribute answers and suggestions that might help.

There are many here (and on fora in general), you and me included, who sometimes ask the questions in a way that the others don't immediately understand. That just happens. As I see it, anyone who takes the time to try to try to understand another's question, and to try to untangle things, and tries to help anyone else get closer to a solution, is making a positive contribution. I'm sorry that my attempt to help, from what I had understood, didn't please you. I meant no offence, and I hope you find the information you need, and that you can see your children.

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Guess which country is safest in the world for COVID-19??

Forbes Magazine
Have a look at that list. WTF. Now I know why I don't read Forbes.
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Old 07.06.2020, 21:25
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Guess which country is safest in the world for COVID-19??

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The United States?
Ranks Number 58, just behind Romania, and two places ahead of Russia.
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Old 08.06.2020, 09:53
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Understandable. All those busy little Swiss houswives cleaning all day long. They are the real heroes in this!
Does people call home trains, buses and trams?
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Old 08.06.2020, 10:37
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...and to reinforce that, it was announced yesterday that since the lifting of the lockdown measures the R0 rate in Switzerland is back above 1.0. Despite distancing still being required. Fortunately the infection levels are still low so this is not a significant issue. Yet.
Lifting lockdown is not a simple thing to implement, for example, look at Arizona daily confirmed new cases (5-day moving average) from the John Hopkins University report. Arizona stopped lockdown on May 15, of course, the governor is GOP so is immune to the virus!!

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Lifting lockdown is not a simple thing to implement, for example, look at Arizona daily confirmed new cases (5-day moving average) from the John Hopkins University report. Arizona stopped lockdown on May 15, of course, the governor is GOP so is immune to the virus!!
They were still trending upwards when they opened. I don't think that speaks well of either the lockdown or easing of the lockdown.
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Old 08.06.2020, 15:15
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The United States?
Ranks Number 58, just behind Romania, and two places ahead of Russia.
I wonder if they actually check their facts. I don't mind number 57, just wonder if they can do basic math.
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Have a look at that list. WTF. Now I know why I don't read Forbes.
So they have a reputation? I didn't know, thanks.
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Old 08.06.2020, 16:30
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No new coronavirus deaths have been reported in Scotland for the second day in a row.

Long may it continue
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