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Old 09.06.2020, 22:13
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Oh wow 300? Really really relaxed then... seems Summer is almost ready to be enjoyed!
The limit is 30 for spontaneous get togethers in the open air (in the park for example), the 300 limit applies to organised events.
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Old 09.06.2020, 22:14
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The UK government has managed this crisis so badly that not only will they have the worst death toll in Europe, they're also going to be the hardest hit economically too. This is what happens when there is a complete lack of governance, they never transitioned from chasing votes into actually leading hence used focus group reactions to manage the crisis!

An unmitigated disaster for which there needs to be some accountability. Some things are understandable, they were prepared for a flu pandemic and not a SARS pandemic. Other things though, not implementing social distancing early enough, emptying hospital beds to care homes, keeping airports open for 3 months then imposing quarantine AFTER the crisis, staying in lockdown far longer than is necessary, U turning on school openings... are just not excusable. There will be a long list of charges this government faces once the inquiry begins!

Whilst the criticisms are clear, it should also be pointed out that the UK's handling of the crisis would very likely have been no different under Jeremy Corbyn or Keir Starmer, and probably much worse. Both subscribe to the Church of the NHS which is what I'm sure will eventually form a key reason as to why the UK has seen so many deaths.
You mean they did not implement lockdown soon enough?
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Old 10.06.2020, 00:07
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I've looked through both these studies and they don't prove anything conclusively and there are many errors. A few of the more obvious ones:

The paper in Nature doesn't make any comparisons between countries that implemented lockdown and countries that didn't. There is also no correlation between lockdown and reduction in infection rate so they use the all encompassing "other social distance".

The Imperial College study says that Sweden's lockdown reduced deaths by 90%, as any reader here knows, Sweden didn't even have a lockdown! Many assumptions also made over the rate of infection, the fatality rate etc. Basically the same bumpf that was used in the flawed statistical models used by Professor Neil Ferguson.

Finally, if lockdown was so successful in reducing the rate of infection, as Phil_MCR pointed out, why haven't we seen a second wave? Parts of Europe have been open for 4 weeks now!
Second wave?
Coronavirus: more than a dozen US states see record high of new cases
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Re: Coronavirus

Can one travel freely to Constance now?( train travel ) No controls at border?
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Old 10.06.2020, 09:39
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Re: Coronavirus

A quick look tells me this is still the first wave of American exceptionalism.
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A quick look tells me this is still the first wave of American exceptionalism.
So it's now time for herd immunity.
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Old 10.06.2020, 10:00
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Can one travel freely to Constance now?( train travel ) No controls at border?



https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/f...97140bodyText3


AFAIK only after June 15. I´d imagine that the controls are already now a lot less.
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Old 10.06.2020, 11:30
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Re: Coronavirus

There were no controls on the French side of the customs gates on the autoroute from Basel on the weekend. In fact, there was nobody there at all. But that's France, and the French... Officially, the borders are closed for another six days.
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Old 10.06.2020, 13:09
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Re: Coronavirus

Here's a clear list, of the official rules now (evidently no longer always checked, especially overland), to enter Switzerland, and what will change on 15th June 2020.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements

Restrictions in response to coronavirus
Entry in to Switzerland from all countries except Liechtenstein is only possible for:
  • Swiss citizens
  • Liechtenstein citizens
  • Swiss resident permit holders
  • Cross-border workers
  • Those transiting with an onward ticket within the same day
  • Those with “compelling reasons”
  • Goods traffic

British nationals are able to apply for family reunification in Switzerland via the cantonal authorities.

The Swiss Government has announced that it intends to relax border restrictions from 15 June 2020 by lifting entry restrictions for travellers from the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway and the European Union.
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Old 10.06.2020, 14:48
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Re: Coronavirus

"New coronavirus may have emerged in summer 2019: Study" (Digital Epidemiology).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nst...mer-2019-study
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So IFR for normal flu around 0.03
so IFR for severe flu is about 0.2
btw, what is "normal" flu?
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Old 10.06.2020, 18:11
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Here's a clear list, of the official rules now (evidently no longer always checked, especially overland), to enter Switzerland, and what will change on 15th June 2020.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements

Restrictions in response to coronavirus
Entry in to Switzerland from all countries except Liechtenstein is only possible for:
  • Swiss citizens
  • Liechtenstein citizens
  • Swiss resident permit holders
  • Cross-border workers
  • Those transiting with an onward ticket within the same day
  • Those with “compelling reasons”
  • Goods traffic

British nationals are able to apply for family reunification in Switzerland via the cantonal authorities.

The Swiss Government has announced that it intends to relax border restrictions from 15 June 2020 by lifting entry restrictions for travellers from the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway and the European Union.
Just to clarify, this doesn't necessarily mean that FMOP will be reinstated on 15 June. As I understand it, the Schengen conditions are still suspended and travellers will need to carry ID, preferably a passport, and they can be checked at will by the border guards.
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Old 11.06.2020, 00:24
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A quick look tells me this is still the first wave of American exceptionalism.
12 states see rising Covid-19 hospitalizations as Arizona asks hospitals to activate emergency plans

At its peak, Arizona's intensive care unit beds were 78% in use. As of Monday, 76% were occupied. Arizona is one of the 19 US states with the trend of new coronavirus cases still increasing.
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Old 11.06.2020, 14:49
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That's "good" news in the sense that you already survived it, so if exposed in the future you don't need to worry as much. And you might be able to use it to travel with fewer restrictions. Did your wife get tested too or will she consider it now?
My wife has tested negative, which is not unusual, of the 3 people who have tested pos their partner was negative.

Blood groups may have something to do with it https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.20114991v1
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UK economy dropped 20% in the last quarter. 20 per cent!!!

At least they saved many lives as a result... oh wait, they didn’t!

This lockdown will go down in history as the biggest act of self harm in a century.
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UK economy dropped 20% in the last quarter. 20 per cent!!!
Pedantic I know, but it was a 20% fall only for the month of April.

What that means for May and then Q2 I have no idea, but it's looking bleak.
Is this the same in the rest of the EU/World?
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Old 12.06.2020, 10:58
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This lockdown will go down in history as the biggest act of self harm in a century.
Agree.

CodPeace, yes though probably not quite 20%, but single-digit contractions all around.
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Old 12.06.2020, 11:16
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UK economy dropped 20% in the last quarter. 20 per cent!!!

At least they saved many lives as a result... oh wait, they didn’t!

This lockdown will go down in history as the biggest act of self harm in a century.
You still don't understand the objective of the lockdown, do you? Please educate yourself before continuing your factually unfounded campaign.

Also, please stop deciding who should die and who should be allowed to live.
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This lockdown will go down in history as the biggest act of self harm in a century.
It might have if the UK hadn't just voted to leave the EU.
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Old 12.06.2020, 11:28
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Did you get that backwards? That the UK is better off having this huge economic contraction out of the EU, than being in and supported by the EU?
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