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Old 18.06.2020, 19:50
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Only 6% of train commuters wear the optional mask yet no second wave in Switzerland?
R0 in Switzerland is now above 1 again so I think we need to wait and see before getting too excited about the lack of a second wave.
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Old 18.06.2020, 20:46
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R0 in Switzerland is now above 1 again so I think we need to wait and see before getting too excited about the lack of a second wave.
We've been back to normal for 5 weeks...how much longer should we wait for the second wave?
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Old 18.06.2020, 20:49
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We've been back to normal for 5 weeks...how much longer should we wait for the second wave?
R0 in Switzerland is now above 1, you believe this is normal?
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Old 18.06.2020, 20:51
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The simple solution to that is to say that restaurants and stores and airports can't open unless they fit toilet lids. It's worked with 2m spaced tables and perspex screening, no reason it shouldn't work for toilet lids.
Which toilets do you visit that have 2m spaced tables and perspex screening?
We need to know.
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Old 19.06.2020, 08:25
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The simple solution to that is to say that restaurants and stores and airports can't open unless they fit toilet lids. It's worked with 2m spaced tables and perspex screening, no reason it shouldn't work for toilet lids.
No, no toilet lids please. Who knows what unspeakable horrors are lurking beneath them.
What we need is disinfectant spray so you can deal with any aerosols left behind. Do not drink or inject the disinfectant.
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Old 19.06.2020, 10:01
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Around March 16 or 17th when the soft lockdown was implemented things looked awful. New cases kept growing alarmingly fast during that week (march 16-22), and stabilized during the next week (march 23-29). A real drop in new cases was observable only until the end of the first week of April but still high. Only until the 2nd week of April the things started to look under control. So, the scariest part was from March 16 to April 16.
Worth also noting that testing criteria was very high in mid-late March and there was no trace system so the peak was most definitely higher than the confirmed numbers.
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Old 19.06.2020, 10:13
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We've been back to normal for 5 weeks...how much longer should we wait for the second wave?
Until another rubbish BBC article comes up with something along the lines of "DON'T BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL NUMBERS! WE DID OUR OWN ANALYSIS AND THE GOVERNMENTS ARE LYING, WE WILL ALL DIE"

oh, wait...they already did that!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046
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Old 19.06.2020, 10:21
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Re: Coronavirus

CNN had an interesting chart on their coronavirus town hall yesterday:



"On the top, in Europe, you see cases rising, peaking and falling.
On the bottom, in the US, you see them stuck in a plateau of sorts and starting to rise from there."
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Old 19.06.2020, 10:23
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We've been back to normal for 5 weeks...how much longer should we wait for the second wave?
Not sure if I'd rely on that notion. For some people normalcy means being at home, anyways.

Different exposure to all of us. And it is still being paced, not back to normalcy yet.

If you ask me personally - there will just be the new normal. People are being very cautious and rightly so. It keeps rhe economy open and protects us all.
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Old 19.06.2020, 11:33
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I'm a surfer. The second wave is always bigger than the first. Think about it.
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Old 19.06.2020, 12:07
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Until another rubbish BBC article comes up with something along the lines of "DON'T BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL NUMBERS! WE DID OUR OWN ANALYSIS AND THE GOVERNMENTS ARE LYING, WE WILL ALL DIE"

oh, wait...they already did that!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046
I am trying to work out your reasons for this post. The BBC article seems pretty factual to me, it included countries with very high to very low excess death numbers. That the Covid-numbers are highly political and are liable to be understated rather than overstated is obvious.
I can understand people getting fed up with western commentators who can ignore health issues affecting asia, middle east , africa etc, but then freak out when it occurs close to or at home.
Fear mongering?? Brazil is suffering because of the opposite extreme and as for the USA ....... In Switzerland, it remains to be seen if the outbreak is under control or whether the relaxations bring more clusters - then maybe we will see more people wearing masks on the trains and buses.
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Old 19.06.2020, 12:16
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Except in many public places such as restaurants, stores, and airports there are no lids to close. Heck, some don't even have seats!

Actually that's worked to my advantage numerous times over the years when traveling. Too many squeamish Western ladies that would not go near the squat toilets so I was able to bypass the queue. I guess none of those ladies had ever been camping.
Let's not open the public toilets subject again! Seats or no seats, Western or not, most women in continental Europe won't like sit sit on the seat because they're afraid they'll pick goodness knows what lethal microbe.

My OH has lived almost his entire life under the illusion that women's toilets are cleaner. Moahahaha!
Now, in normal times one is used and mentally prepared to use a public toilet. Corona times......

But it was already debated plenty of times on EF. I was particularly amused by a guy here who was shocked when he had to take his daughter to the (women) toilet.

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Old 19.06.2020, 12:36
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Re: Coronavirus

Ban toilets without a seat. They spread corona like crazy
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Old 19.06.2020, 13:35
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I am trying to work out your reasons for this post.
Fear mongering??
noooo?! You think?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...d-be-asked/amp
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Old 19.06.2020, 14:01
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Re: Coronavirus

I think a lot of people in CH aren't being tested, so it's difficult to have a good idea of what the real numbers are.

There are lots of "colds" going around at my son's primary school here in Greifensee right now. The teacher told me that the kids are not being tested. She also said that there are strict regulations in place that parents should not send their kids to school if they have even a mild cough, etc. But some parents have sent their kids anyways.

I heard the neighbor above us coughing all night long last night and another coughing uncontrollably yesterday, from his balcony. I know it could just be due to normal colds, though. The weather has been funky. We're invited to a birthday party tomorrow of about 20 adults. I feel obligated to go because it's for a very close friend of mine, but I'm not feeling too thrilled about being in such close quarters with so many people right now.
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Old 19.06.2020, 14:08
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Wow . The Zürich people were anyhow socially distanced before the corona virus .Now its like they come from separate worlds.
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Old 19.06.2020, 14:45
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Re: Coronavirus

Just. got a letter from Zurich university stating I have been randomly selected to ask.if I would like a free antibodies test.

This is the second time I have been randomly by UZ for corona study.
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Just. got a letter from Zurich university stating I have been randomly selected to ask.if I would like a free antibodies test.

This is the second time I have been randomly by UZ for corona study.
Tell them they can use me for the second random test...I've been wondering since an interesting "cold" I had late January!
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Old 19.06.2020, 16:08
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I was tested on Monday for both the virus and antibodies. Both tests were negative.



As I felt sick most of January, I was kind of hoping that the antibody test would be positive but this was obviously some other virus.
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I think a lot of people in CH aren't being tested, so it's difficult to have a good idea of what the real numbers are.

There are lots of "colds" going around at my son's primary school here in Greifensee right now. The teacher told me that the kids are not being tested. She also said that there are strict regulations in place that parents should not send their kids to school if they have even a mild cough, etc. But some parents have sent their kids anyways.

I, my wife and my kid, who's going to Kita, had a sore throat 3 weeks ago. My kid also had a light fever for a day or so. We did not have any other symptoms of the coronavirus, so we were quite confident that it was not the case. Still, we all stayed at home for a week just to make sure. My kid's teacher sounded surprised when we told her the reason. The guys on the cantonal hotlines (Bern and Zurich) told us that as long as there was no fever, no need to test...

So I agree that the real number of infection in CH is likely higher than reported. I think it's not only due to the high testing restrictions but also due to people believing that they are just having a cold. Hope that the real number is not much higher than the reported one.

I'm wondering about the monitor of waste water. I heard in April, probably from EAWAG, that they could use it to detect hidden clusters of infection.
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