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I think you’ll find that the term is pretty widely used, across several languages. My comment was in response to a post by a user whos opinions I usually place high value on given their personal background, as well as past EF history.

This thread needs overhauling, because it is misleading and absolute rubbish.
Please do help us by challenging the misleading and absolute rubbish posts and quoting factual sources.
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Old 19.06.2020, 21:34
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I think you’ll find that the term is pretty widely used, across several languages. My comment was in response to a post by a user whos opinions I usually place high value on given their personal background, as well as past EF history.
I think you'll find it isn't.
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The coronavirus infections and deaths figures came from the US John Hopkins University who are a leading information source on coronavirus infections and deaths.

I did not quote any R rate but if you interested then look here;


Please feel free to call Professor Matthias Egger to tell him he is working with insufficient data
I don’t see anything specific in your link unfortunately, only the figures we’ve all been following.

This is more specific, but unfortunately only in German. If I were to to give links to the relevant background info., I’d only be inundated with complaints that it’s either behind a pay-wall or in German so won’t bother:

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...gleich/?nosome
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Meanwhile in related news:
The Italians have found the virus RNA in wastewater probes taken on December 18, 2019, in Torino and Milano, that's two months before the first Covid patient was officially tested positive. See the TdG (in French). Bergamo, the epicenter of the outbreak, is just 60km northeast of Milano.

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Old 19.06.2020, 23:42
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I don’t see anything specific in your link unfortunately, only the figures we’ve all been following.

This is more specific, but unfortunately only in German. If I were to to give links to the relevant background info., I’d only be inundated with complaints that it’s either behind a pay-wall or in German so won’t bother:

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...gleich/?nosome
The link I gave you has the number of infections and the number of deaths in both Sweden and Switzerland. These were the subject of my original post and the link was my answer to your request "Where did you get these figures from, and when?"

The link has both the number of infections and the number of deaths in Sweden and Switzerland, so what did you mean by "I don’t see anything specific in your link"?

What do you propose I could have answered that would be more specific than the actual numbers of the infections and the number of deaths in both Sweden and Switzerland?
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Old 20.06.2020, 02:13
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Changing the demanded distance from 2m to 1.5m seems silly. What could be the reasoning? Corona has aged and can't jump as far anymore?
French coronaviruses can't even manage a one-metre leap, apparently.
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Old 21.06.2020, 14:35
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Daily new coronavirus cases according to John Hopkins University, Florida definitely not on my holiday list
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Old 21.06.2020, 22:28
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Good luck with attempt of opening social and sport events. It simply doesn’t work yet ...

I can only hope that ATP top ten won’t go down with the COVID-19

Grigor Dimitrov: Bulgarian tests positive for coronavirus after Adria Tour events https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/53131665
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Yikes. It looks like the numbers have been sky-rocketing in many states in the US since around the beginning of June when they began to ease restrictions. I wonder what Trump will have to say about that, after pressuring so many states to end their lockdowns.

I'm relieved to see that the 'curve' is still flattened here in CH, at least. It looks like it's the same for Italy, France and Germany.
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Yikes. It looks like the numbers have been sky-rocketing in many states in the US since around the beginning of June when they began to ease restrictions. I wonder what Trump will have to say about that, after pressuring so many states to end their lockdowns.
Well, Trump has spoken. At his controversial rally in Tulsa, OK (which was severely under-attended), Trump told his baying pack of the faithful that he has "asked" for testing to be cut back because they were finding new cases of COVID-19, and that made the numbers look bad. Yep. Unassailable logic.

At the same time, experts are saying that the current 120,000-odd US COVID-19 death toll would have been much higher without the testing that was extensively carried out.
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Old 22.06.2020, 11:06
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How easily a second wave could happen. In this case it's down to the abattoir cases and local and will given it's in Germany will probably be controlled. But could so easily spread.

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Old 22.06.2020, 12:48
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How easily a second wave could happen. In this case it's down to the abattoir cases and local and will given it's in Germany will probably be controlled. But could so easily spread.

Another chart showing the R rate of infection in Germany was below 1 before the country went into full lockdown on 22nd March.
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I was channel surfing last night and came across a debate on the Coronavirus on Swiss TV. What came across is that the Swiss Bundesrat couldn't hold off the pressure any longer from businesses and the public and so have been "forced" to accelerate reopening the country. I guess this is the advantage of living in a mature and democratic country like Switzerland!
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Another chart showing the R rate of infection in Germany was below 1 before the country went into full lockdown on 22nd March.
Coming back after some days to see the quality of your posts is still rubbish.

This chart shows exactly that, and Germany never went into full lockdown.
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I was channel surfing last night and came across a debate on the Coronavirus on Swiss TV. What came across is that the Swiss Bundesrat couldn't hold off the pressure any longer from businesses and the public and so have been "forced" to accelerate reopening the country. I guess this is the advantage of living in a mature and democratic country like Switzerland!
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"The Swiss bundesrat had a productive discussion with all relevant experts and stakeholders, and committed to accelerate the reactivation of economical activities."
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This chart shows exactly that, and Germany never went into full lockdown.
Why would you even make that point? If Germany didn't go into full lockdown then it's hardly an endorsement as to the effectiveness of lockdowns

"Full lockdown" is subjective in meaning, what I meant by it is that this was the date (22nd March) when Germany imposed her strongest restrictions - banned groups of more than two people from different households, enforced 1.5 meter distancing, closed restaurants and hair dressers etc. Some states imposed stronger restrictions. The point remains that the R rate was below 1 according to the Robert Koch Institute before 22nd March.
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Yikes. It looks like the numbers have been sky-rocketing in many states in the US since around the beginning of June when they began to ease restrictions. I wonder what Trump will have to say about that, after pressuring so many states to end their lockdowns.

I'm relieved to see that the 'curve' is still flattened here in CH, at least. It looks like it's the same for Italy, France and Germany.
The "good" news for the States is that while overall cases are increasing, the number of deaths per day is still decreasing. Taking 3 days from the past 3 months from Worldometers:

April 20 - 2,693 deaths
May 20 - 1,400 deaths
June 20 - 700 deaths

Compare that to active cases:
April 20 - 683,742
May 20 - 1,126,920
June 20 - 1,235,657

What we need to watch for now in terms of a second wave is a sharp increase in hospitalizations and deaths, not so much in new cases. I'm not saying new cases are no big deal, but they're not as strong of indicators now as the other two numbers.
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The "good" news for the States is that while overall cases are increasing, the number of deaths per day is still decreasing. Taking 3 days from the past 3 months from Worldometers:

April 20 - 2,693 deaths
May 20 - 1,400 deaths
June 20 - 700 deaths

Compare that to active cases:
April 20 - 683,742
May 20 - 1,126,920
June 20 - 1,235,657

What we need to watch for now in terms of a second wave is a sharp increase in hospitalizations and deaths, not so much in new cases. I'm not saying new cases are no big deal, but they're not as strong of indicators now as the other two numbers.
Deaths are a lagging indicator, it takes weeks for a new case to be cured or to die.

The increase of new cases will inevitably and sadly be followed by increases in deaths.

Hospitalizations are also a lagging indicator depending on how long it takes for people to get sick enough to warrant that.

In some states, hospitalization is not looking good.
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Arizona reported 1,702 people currently hospitalized on a seven-day average, a near 29% increase compared to a week ago. As of Saturday, the Arizona Department of Health Services reported that 83% of inpatient beds and 85% of intensive-care unit beds were in use.
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Without emergency action, Arizona hospitals will soon be overrun.
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Another chart showing the R rate of infection in Germany was below 1 before the country went into full lockdown on 22nd March.
Yes indeed! A whole three days before "full" lockdown (which, by the way, followed a period of other "lockdown" measures). If only we could find a graph showing what would have happened, had there been no lockdown.



Interesting to see that this graph shows R0 in Germany dipping below 1.0 three weeks after the "full lockdown". Unfortunately I can't find a more recent graph of Sweden's R0. Anybody know where to find one?
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Old 22.06.2020, 22:52
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Interesting times and sounds like a good idea in principle.
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