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Trophy partner, really?
Nothing wrong with a Trophy partner, a bonus when she is the one working
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You might want to look up what a trophy wife is
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You might want to look up what a trophy wife is
Someone that doesn't cook during quarantine, but still makes you happy a few times a day?
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Old 25.06.2020, 14:15
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Shocking figures from the IMF yesterday regarding the economic hit the Coronavirus will have. It's the IMF so these predictions come with all the usual health warnings. Debt due to shoot above GDP in many developed countries, Euro Area and UK due to have a drop of 10.2%, US a drop of 8%, Japan a drop of 5.7% China remarkably growth of 1% (yeah right!).

I only hope people remember the clamour for continued lockdowns when this begins to bite and if/when measures like austerity are required
More shocking figures, according to WHO there are now over 1 million new cases per week.

New cases in the US are now rising higher than during the peak of the epidemic and trending even higher so we will soon see a new decision conflict there between choosing increasing deaths or a poorer economy.
My guess is that it will be decided on a State by State basis with the GOP States trending towards choosing extra deaths.
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Old 25.06.2020, 14:42
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52 new cases reported in Switzerland yesterday, the highest in several weeks. The Swiss R rate is now over 1.

https://www.20min.ch/story/so-sieht-...s-255254143692
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I use my eyes to judge 'trophy', the fact she was a successful business women in her 30's & appeared in Karen Brady's book playing to win.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Playing-t...wAAOSwkQZbZE4B
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I use my eyes to judge 'trophy', the fact she was a successful business women in her 30's & appeared in Karen Brady's book playing to win.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Playing-t...wAAOSwkQZbZE4B
1. You're wrong. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_wife
2. WTF has this got to do with Coronavirus?
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Old 25.06.2020, 16:10
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52 new cases reported in Switzerland yesterday, the highest in several weeks. The Swiss R rate is now over 1.

https://www.20min.ch/story/so-sieht-...s-255254143692
I haven't verified it, but Mr Wishes said the Swiss government has now said anyone who wants a test can have one and that the feds will pay for it. More testing is inevitably going to yield more positives. That plus the fact people are out more and distancing less.

As someone mentioned up-thread, when the overall number of active cases is so low (as it is in CH right now) then a bump of 50 cases is going to make the R number suddenly look worse. We'll have to see how the trend goes over the next few weeks, including hospitalizations and deaths.

The last time more than 5 people died in one day of Covid-19 was 18 May.

As of yesterday there are 202 people with Covid-19 in hospital. 12 are in intensive care and only 2 are on ventilators. If those numbers stay that low, there's no reason to freak out and totally lock everything down again.

We can also watch the number of tests being conducted and the positive vs negative ratio as it trends.
19 June (most recent data available on the site below):
31 positives
5880 negatives
A rate of only 0.5% positive

There's another entry which might be an anomaly, 16 June. On that day there were only 34 positives out of 9,999 tests - so a rate of only 0.34% positives.

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I haven't verified it, but Mr Wishes said the Swiss government has now said anyone who wants a test can have one and that the feds will pay for it. More testing is inevitably going to yield more positives. That plus the fact people are out more and distancing less.

As someone mentioned up-thread, when the overall number of active cases is so low (as it is in CH right now) then a bump of 50 cases is going to make the R number suddenly look worse. We'll have to see how the trend goes over the next few weeks, including hospitalizations and deaths.

The last time more than 5 people died in one day of Covid-19 was 18 May....
Agreed (and Mr Wishes is right about the tests as of yesterday). But there is a worrying trend now in much of Europe. From the WHO via the Guardian ticker...

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More from the World Health Organization. The body’s regional director for Europe, Hans Kluge, has told reporters that Europe has seen a surge of Covid-19 cases since countries began easing restrictions.

“Last week, Europe saw an increase in weekly cases for the first time in months,” he said, adding that more than two dozen countries in Europe had recorded resurgences of the deadly virus.

Thirty countries have seen increases in new cumulative cases over the past two weeks. In 11 of these countries, accelerated transmission has led to very significant resurgence that if left unchecked will push health systems to the brink once again in Europe.
Also Israel now look to be heading fully into a second wave

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...covid-19-cases
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I haven't verified it, but Mr Wishes said the Swiss government has now said anyone who wants a test can have one and that the feds will pay for it. More testing is inevitably going to yield more positives. That plus the fact people are out more and distancing less.

As someone mentioned up-thread, when the overall number of active cases is so low (as it is in CH right now) then a bump of 50 cases is going to make the R number suddenly look worse. We'll have to see how the trend goes over the next few weeks, including hospitalizations and deaths.

The last time more than 5 people died in one day of Covid-19 was 18 May.

As of yesterday there are 202 people with Covid-19 in hospital. 12 are in intensive care and only 2 are on ventilators. If those numbers stay that low, there's no reason to freak out and totally lock everything down again.

We can also watch the number of tests being conducted and the positive vs negative ratio as it trends.
19 June (most recent data available on the site below):
31 positives
5880 negatives
A rate of only 0.5% positive

There's another entry which might be an anomaly, 16 June. On that day there were only 34 positives out of 9,999 tests - so a rate of only 0.34% positives.

Source for the numbers of deaths and in hospital
Testing already had become much easier (besides who pays for it) where first you were told "No need for hospital, than no need for testing yet." now it already has become a standard thing for GP's when you have any or some of the symptoms (I've been tested for the disease last Monday, due to having about 10 of the symptoms) The anti-body test is still a bit more rare and I was told I'd get that one in about two weeks if my condition does not improve with the prescribed pills/liquids.

Also we should be looking at how many got infected inside Switzerland, or who brought it home from travelling outside the country, those who bring it home from across do not change the effective R0 inside Switzerland, so looking at tests alone also tells little.
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Old 25.06.2020, 16:55
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Testing already had become much easier (besides who pays for it) where first you were told "No need for hospital, than no need for testing yet." now it already has become a standard thing for GP's when you have any or some of the symptoms (I've been tested for the disease last Monday, due to having about 10 of the symptoms) The anti-body test is still a bit more rare and I was told I'd get that one in about two weeks if my condition does not improve with the prescribed pills/liquids.

Also we should be looking at how many got infected inside Switzerland, or who brought it home from travelling outside the country, those who bring it home from across do not change the effective R0 inside Switzerland, so looking at tests alone also tells little.
Feel better soon, and I hope the meds at least give you some relief even if they're not a cure.
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I haven't verified it, but Mr Wishes said the Swiss government has now said anyone who wants a test can have one and that the feds will pay for it. More testing is inevitably going to yield more positives. That plus the fact people are out more and distancing less.

As someone mentioned up-thread, when the overall number of active cases is so low (as it is in CH right now) then a bump of 50 cases is going to make the R number suddenly look worse. We'll have to see how the trend goes over the next few weeks, including hospitalizations and deaths.

The last time more than 5 people died in one day of Covid-19 was 18 May.

As of yesterday there are 202 people with Covid-19 in hospital. 12 are in intensive care and only 2 are on ventilators. If those numbers stay that low, there's no reason to freak out and totally lock everything down again.
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Absolutely correct, it was in the news on the radio this morning or yesterday morning, free for all tests paid by the federal government! So positive numbers will go up due to free and increased tests.

No matter the wave there will be no lockdown, that's my guess
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Absolutely correct, it was in the news on the radio this morning or yesterday morning, free for all tests paid by the federal government! So positive numbers will go up due to free and increased tests.

No matter the wave there will be no lockdown, that's my guess
"No matter the wave"—so, no lockdown if we see 500 new cases per day in Switzerland? What about 5,000? 25,000? Still no lockdown?

You can be fairly sure there'll be a lockdown if any senior politicians contract COVID-19.
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"No matter the wave"—so, no lockdown if we see 500 new cases per day in Switzerland? What about 5,000? 25,000? Still no lockdown?

You can be fairly sure there'll be a lockdown if any senior politicians contract COVID-19.
Unfortunately lockdowns give minimal effect. They just delay the inevitable, nothing more.

We are years away from proven and tested vaccine. We simply can not play hide and seek for that long, the consequences of lockdowns will be far more devastating than the virus itself for the general population.
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Applying the brakes now; will they go into reverse or follow the Trump policy of "if I close my eyes it is not happening"!?
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the cool thing about using quotes without quoting anyone gives incredible depth and sophistication to otherwise BS statements

Looks like you either:
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Unfortunately lockdowns give minimal effect. They just delay the inevitable, nothing more.
You've been arguing this line from the start of this thread, and have chosen to completely ignore or try to rubbish all of those who've shown very many positive effects of lockdown. Please, if you haven't got anything useful to add, don't just repeat the same statements that have already been shown to be false.
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Considering how quickly the virus spread here before the lockdown was put in place, I guess it shouldn't be surprising if the numbers do begin to spike again now that the lockdown has been eased. I think far too many people are now acting as though the virus is no longer something they have to worry about.

I went to our local Migros today and although the electronic sign said "Bitte eintretten" (please enter), when I walked in, I realized the store was full of people. It's impossible to really social distance when such a small store is so full.


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Unfortunately lockdowns give minimal effect. They just delay the inevitable, nothing more.

We are years away from proven and tested vaccine. We simply can not play hide and seek for that long, the consequences of lockdowns will be far more devastating than the virus itself for the general population.
Lockdowns help keep the virus from spreading more quickly than it otherwise would and hence, from the hospitals becoming too overcrowded. And if a lockdown causes less people to contract the virus, then you have less chance of catching it (e.g. at the grocery store). It's the only way to help keep the situation under control as much as possible.

If we were on lockdown long enough to get the # of new cases down to zero then we might have a chance of there not being a second wave. Perhaps everyone should be subjected to a test and then forced into quarantine if the result is positive. Maybe that's also one of the only ways to eradicate the virus. I don't know...
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Considering how quickly the virus spread here before the lockdown was put in place, I guess it shouldn't be surprising if the numbers do begin to spike again now that the lockdown has been eased. I think far too many people are now acting as though the virus is no longer something they have to worry about.

I went to our local Migros today and although the electronic sign said "Bitte eintretten" (please enter), when I walked in, I realized the store was full of people. It's impossible to really social distance when such a small store is so full.




Lockdowns help keep the virus from spreading more quickly than it otherwise would and hence, from the hospitals becoming too overcrowded. And if a lockdown causes less people to contract the virus, then you have less chance of catching it (e.g. at the grocery store). It's the only way to help keep the situation under control as much as possible.

If we were on lockdown long enough to get the # of new cases down to zero then we might have a chance of there not being a second wave. Perhaps everyone should be subjected to a test and then forced into quarantine if the result is positive. Maybe that's also one of the only ways to eradicate the virus. I don't know...
We had 50-something new cases within the last 24h. I wonder if this complacement persists, how long it will be until we're back on full lockdown.
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We had 50-something new cases within the last 24h. I wonder if this complacement persists, how long it will be until we're back on full lockdown.
I doubt lockdown will be repeated, we have to learn to live with the virus.
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