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Old 25.06.2020, 22:01
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You've been arguing this line from the start of this thread, and have chosen to completely ignore or try to rubbish all of those who've shown very many positive effects of lockdown. Please, if you haven't got anything useful to add, don't just repeat the same statements that have already been shown to be false.
Nah, there are few buddies of yours that go on about the same things all over and all over. There is some enjoyment to be in fear? I can't understand it.

Most people have moved on with their lives and don't really care about corona anymore
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Old 25.06.2020, 22:07
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I doubt lockdown will be repeated, we have to learn to live with the virus.
I don't know if that's possible for the hospitals here, though. I don't think we want a situation where most hospital beds are already taken to become the norm. Also, think of the long-term health consequences. Many people who contract the virus have permanent lung damage because of it, even though they may never have been sick enough to require hospitalization.

Also, it appears that people can possibly get it more than once. So the only way to really prevent a constant stream of new infections and people needing hospitalization, etc. is to figure out a way to eradicate the virus.

Maybe phases of lock-down will become the new norm for a while... until a virus is developed. Welcome to the new normal.
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Old 25.06.2020, 22:10
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Nah, there are few buddies of yours that go on about the same things all over and all over. There is some enjoyment to be in fear? I can't understand it.

Most people have moved on with their lives and don't really care about corona anymore
Why do you speak on behalf of most people?

I guess it's easy to think that the virus is no longer a threat when we're no longer being basically forced to stay at home unless it's a trip to the pharmacy or grocery store?
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Old 25.06.2020, 22:23
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Why do you speak on behalf of most people?

I guess it's easy to think that the virus is no longer a threat when we're no longer being basically forced to stay at home unless it's a trip to the pharmacy or grocery store?
I just see what is out there, people don't care anymore and have had enough, it's very simple.

People are back in their normal ways, took the Basel-Bern-Lausanne train last night and apart from the ticket inspectors nobody wore a mask.

Have you been out except to the pharmacy and grocery store? People go out and have moved on, at least that's the sentiment around Lausanne/Geneva
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Old 25.06.2020, 22:38
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I bet if you catch it and something is permanently damaged, IV will find a way to make it your fault.

The 50 cases aren't much THB. Does anyone have a number on actual hospitalizations from these 50?

The situation in Germany around the meat-processing plants does show however, that a large number of cases can linger around without much notice.

The foreign workers who had contracted it did supposedly not interact much with the general population.
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Old 25.06.2020, 22:39
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I just see what is out there, people don't care anymore and have had enough, it's very simple.

People are back in their normal ways, took the Basel-Bern-Lausanne train last night and apart from the ticket inspectors nobody wore a mask.

Have you been out except to the pharmacy and grocery store? People go out and have moved on, at least that's the sentiment around Lausanne/Geneva
Oh, I agree that too many people are behaving as though they no longer need to self-distance, etc. But what you wrote is: "Most people have moved on with their lives and don't really care about corona anymore." So yes, things have opened up, but I'm still seeing people wearing masks and trying to social distance in the stores, etc. And I think any sane, intelligent person would acknowledge the fact that the virus is still a potential threat as well as a "second wave." 30 kids at my son's primary school have been sick with the flu the past week. My best friend told me two days ago that she feels like she can't breathe well when she lays in bed now.

I remember you being a Trump-supporter, though. So I guess that you, like Trump, think that the virus will just go away if we ignore it?
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Old 25.06.2020, 22:50
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I remember you being a Trump-supporter, though. So I guess that you, like Trump, think that the virus will just go away if we ignore it?
No, absolutely not a Trump supporter, but I do find it funny that he is managing to troll a whole nation

I believe we need to learn how to live with the virus and to always take simple measures (hygiene/distance) until a vaccine is ready. We simply can not shut down the economy and print money
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Old 25.06.2020, 22:56
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I doubt lockdown will be repeated, we have to learn to live with the virus.
It depends on what happens in the future. If so an extreme case that the hospitals fill up and people are left to die in the streets then maybe serious measures will be de rigueur.

Hopefully, it will not be so severe but some US States are not looking so good.
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Old 25.06.2020, 23:03
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Oh, I agree that too many people are behaving as though they no longer need to self-distance, etc. But what you wrote is: "Most people have moved on with their lives and don't really care about corona anymore." So yes, things have opened up, but I'm still seeing people wearing masks and trying to social distance in the stores, etc. And I think any sane, intelligent person would acknowledge the fact that the virus is still a potential threat as well as a "second wave." 30 kids at my son's primary school have been sick with the flu the past week. My best friend told me two days ago that she feels like she can't breathe well when she lays in bed now.

I remember you being a Trump-supporter, though. So I guess that you, like Trump, think that the virus will just go away if we ignore it?
I was in a German supermarket this week and most people were wearing masks.
Amusing, a man came in with his young son and they just pulled their T-shirts over their faces.
Also less amusing, most of the staff wore masks (some not with masks but face shields) but most of the staff mask wearers had them only over the mouth and not over the nose
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Old 25.06.2020, 23:07
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No, absolutely not a Trump supporter, but I do find it funny that he is managing to troll infect a whole nation

I believe we need to learn how to live with the virus and to always take simple measures (hygiene/distance) until a vaccine is ready. We simply can not shut down the economy and print money
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Old 25.06.2020, 23:26
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No, absolutely not a Trump supporter, but I do find it funny that he is managing to troll a whole nation

I believe we need to learn how to live with the virus and to always take simple measures (hygiene/distance) until a vaccine is ready. We simply can not shut down the economy and print money
Why do you find that funny? Do you understand the psychology behind "trolling?" But perhaps more importantly, why do you think he's trolling rather than just actually being a genuine idiot?

No, we cannot simply shut down the economy, but encouraging people to just gather in crowded places and pretend they couldn't possibly have a virus that is asymptomatic isn't a good idea, either. I just read earlier that Portugal, South Korea and Israel are having a second wave" right now. And I'm sure that list will continue to grow. We're never going to get over this thing if people just act as though the virus is nothing to worry about and that their "right" to go leisurely shopping at H&M is more important than trying to help save lives.
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Old 25.06.2020, 23:52
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Also, it appears that people can possibly get it more than once. So the only way to really prevent a constant stream of new infections and people needing hospitalization, etc. is to figure out a way to eradicate the virus.
Well if catching the virus doesn’t give you immunity .... then a vaccine won’t either!
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Well if catching the virus doesn’t give you immunity .... then a vaccine won’t either!
Er no.

A vaccine gives you a high dose of antigen, and booster jabs are possible. "Catching" the virus naturally can mean a high or low viral load.

If Covid mutates similarly to the normal flu ( and hopefully it doesn't) then we are in for yearly jabs that will offer less than certain immunity.
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Old 26.06.2020, 08:20
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Considering how quickly the virus spread here before the lockdown was put in place, I guess it shouldn't be surprising if the numbers do begin to spike again now that the lockdown has been eased.
If there's no second wave following the easing of lockdown (as has been the case so far), will that mean lockdown was a waste of time?
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I was in a German supermarket this week and most people were wearing masks.
Masks (or other mouth and nose coverings) are supposed to be mandatory in German shops. Also in all restaurants in France.
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If there's no second wave following the easing of lockdown (as has been the case so far), will that mean lockdown was a waste of time?
No. The lockdown was necessary
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Old 26.06.2020, 08:41
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We had 50-something new cases within the last 24h. I wonder if this complacement persists, how long it will be until we're back on full lockdown.
Which is exactly why I wish everyone would wear masks when keeping distance is not possible, and actually use the disinfectant so conveniently put out for you at the entrance to a store.

It's such a simple, easy, practical thing to do - and could go a long way to mitigating a second wave and avoiding the economic consequences of far more restrictive measures.

Whatever tiny personal inconvenience wearing a mask or taking 30 seconds to disinfect your hands might pose versus the catastrophe of a second wave - it should be a no brainer.

But no, seems that most people just can't be bothered. Boggles the mind.
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Old 26.06.2020, 08:43
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No I wouldn't say that. I am quite happy with how the swiss government handled covid. They made the right decisions with the knowledge that was available at that time. The curve needed to be flattened.

No worries, a second wave will come in some form
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No I wouldn't say that. I am quite happy with how the swiss government handled covid. They made the right decisions with the knowledge that was available at that time. The curve needed to be flattened.

No worries, a second wave will come in some form

I wonder what the Swiss government will do about people flying back from Serbia, as there seem to be quite some cases among them. Hope they will take actions quickly in case needed.
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No I wouldn't say that. I am quite happy with how the swiss government handled covid. They made the right decisions with the knowledge that was available at that time. The curve needed to be flattened.

No worries, a second wave will come in some form
I expect a second wave of some form to come in the Autumn, but as we've seen so far since Europe began reopening, other than the odd local spike there has been nothing to really cause concern.
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