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Old 26.06.2020, 08:55
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so, it appears that people can possibly get it more than once. So the only way to really prevent a constant stream of new infections and people needing hospitalization, etc. is to figure out a way to eradicate the virus.
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Well if catching the virus doesnít give you immunity .... then a vaccine wonít either!
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Er no.

A vaccine gives you a high dose of antigen, and booster jabs are possible. "Catching" the virus naturally can mean a high or low viral load.

If Covid mutates similarly to the normal flu ( and hopefully it doesn't) then we are in for yearly jabs that will offer less than certain immunity.
Well, the Flu vaccine didnít eradicate the flu virus did it...? People die of flu every year. Hence my point!
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Old 26.06.2020, 08:57
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Re: Coronavirus

Good article on the immune response to covid and the antibody tests:


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ty-coronavirus
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Old 26.06.2020, 09:27
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I expect a second wave of some form to come in the Autumn, but as we've seen so far since Europe began reopening, other than the odd local spike there has been nothing to really cause concern.
On the other hand, the United States on Thursday reported more than 41,000 new coronavirus cases, a record total for the second straight day.
No cause for concern
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Old 26.06.2020, 09:32
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No, absolutely not a Trump supporter, but I do find it funny that he is managing to troll a whole nation
....and beyond! He's a role model across the world, I tell you. If Trump can do it, everybody can.


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I believe we need to learn how to live with the virus and to always take simple measures (hygiene/distance) until a vaccine is ready. We simply can not shut down the economy and print money

Learning to live with the virus means still taking those simple measures and I see a lot of people way too relaxed. Nobody advocates for a lockdown if it's unnecessary, but if a second wave strikes then all these covid deniers will have to be put in their place....and the rest of decent folks will suffer too.
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Old 26.06.2020, 10:24
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If there's no second wave following the easing of lockdown (as has been the case so far), will that mean lockdown was a waste of time?
You don't bother to look at the development in case numbers, then?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...ckdown-relaxed
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Old 26.06.2020, 10:25
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but if a second wave strikes then all these covid deniers will have to be put in their place....and the rest of decent folks will suffer too.
Just to make two points:
1. I assume you put me in as one of those Covid "deniers", I however, ALWAYS follow the instructions (social distancing, masks, stay at home as much as possible, etc, etc.) not because of myself, but because of other people. There's a massive difference between what I believe and what others believe in and I don't see a reason to antagonize the old lady at the Coop line. Annoying a few zealots on EF is a totally different matter Having said that, point
2. More daily infections and it seems like they are underreported by the millions, and LESS or PLATEAU daily deaths should be telling you something about the virus.
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Well, the Flu vaccine didnít eradicate the flu virus did it...? People die of flu every year. Hence my point!
Possibly because there are potentially 144 different strains of the flu virus and each of those can also happily mutate sufficiently each year to render a vaccine ineffective.

Covid-19 has so far proved to be relatively stable (actually surprisingly so for a RNA virus although there have been minor mutations already) plus many of the vaccines being developed are using novel approaches that target the spike protein, an element that is likely to be stable if it is to remain effective as an infection method.

However it is likely that any vaccine will only be effective for a year or so, will be maybe 60% - 80% effective and will need continual development to remain effective. I very much doubt the virus will ever be eliminated fully but hopefully we can bring the risk down to common cold level.
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Re: Coronavirus

I see a mixture of over cautious and over relaxed behaviours.

The mixed messages coming out from health authorities and governments do not help, and who knows who has got it just right.

But fake news,lies and propaganda are unforgivable. Also companies falsely promoting their products - is business ethics a dead concept?
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Old 26.06.2020, 10:44
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You don't bother to look at the development in case numbers, then?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...ckdown-relaxed

I find it very fascinating that someone develops a coronavirus government response tracker as an analysis instrument without measuring the quality of implementation: the will or ability of a population of a country/area to act according to these measures. The countries on the right side obviously wouldn't score very well on that aspect.
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Old 26.06.2020, 10:55
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On the other hand, the United States on Thursday reported more than 41,000 new coronavirus cases, a record total for the second straight day.
No cause for concern
Yes, and I think too many people have it in their minds that the worst is over for us here in CH, but that isn't necessarily the case. The awful problem in the US right now is being attributed to people's apathy more than anything else. I guess they've just been playing "follow the leader" over there.
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Old 26.06.2020, 11:12
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Old 26.06.2020, 11:13
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Yes, and I think too many people have it in their minds that the worst is over for us here in CH, but that isn't necessarily the case. The awful problem in the US right now is being attributed to people's apathy more than anything else. I guess they've just been playing "follow the leader" over there.
If there's a problem here it will be due to apathy, in the US it is a far more active ignorance.
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Old 26.06.2020, 11:17
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...ckdown-relaxed
What appalling journalism, no context WHATSOEVER given!

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We know this is because of a single outbreak at a meat plant. Across Germany the figures are so low as they are across much of Europe. There's even complaints arising now that there's not enough Coronavirus infections for vaccines to be tested properly! Nice of the Guardian to worry on Switzerland and Germany's behalf though
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Old 26.06.2020, 12:37
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Re: Coronavirus

Not everyone is complacent. Some people out there follow the recommendations.

I just came back from a haircut. I did not wanted to go before because the virus was the perfect excuse to let hair grow below the shoulder while having a serious job.

Back to the coiffure, all the hairdressers had masks and gloves. They offered me a mask, I was not getting my beard trimmed, why not? One of the employees was basically focused on cleaning with disinfectant before the customer took a seat, cleaning once again after the customer left and of course disinfecting the tools. They left one empty chair between customers, so working at 50% capacity. We kept 2m distance among customers all the time.

Of course, the worthiness of all these measures is open to assessment. However, the least I can tell about the people working at this coiffure is that they care.
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Old 26.06.2020, 13:09
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If there's a problem here it will be due to apathy, in the US it is a far more active ignorance.
Yeah, ignorance is a way of life for many people in the US. I think there might be a fine line between apathy and willful ignorance, in this case. I saw a clip in the US news yesterday where a guy was at some kind of pubic event (in the US), saying that people shouldn't worry about the virus and if they are worried, they should just stay home. There seem to be a lot of people there who aren't worried about contracting the virus because I guess they think they aren't in a high risk group and that it's nothing to worry about. They couldn't care less about spreading it to someone who could become very ill and /or just doing their part to try to help bring the situation in the US under control. It's a perfect reflection of the very "me, me, me" mentality that is deeply embedded in American culture.

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What appalling journalism, no context WHATSOEVER given!

We know this is because of a single outbreak at a meat plant. Across Germany the figures are so low as they are across much of Europe. There's even complaints arising now that there's not enough Coronavirus infections for vaccines to be tested properly! Nice of the Guardian to worry on Switzerland and Germany's behalf though
But we have no idea what the situation here (or anywhere) might be like in one or two months (or even six months). Portugal is having a "second wave" right now, as is Israel, after relaxing their restrictions. Switzerland is certainly not immune to that. As it is right now, I think it's impossible to say what's going to happen and what the situation will be like a few months from now, but it's better to be cautious about it than to assume that the numbers could never explode here again.
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58 new cases today. Ticking upwards....
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Because it's Friday

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Old 26.06.2020, 15:35
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Because it's Friday

I truly worry that the presidential election has come down to a pathological liar and a man with the onset of what appears to be dementia.
I think the liars worse, but the competition doesn't look that strong.

Hopefully just a slip of the tongue.
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Old 26.06.2020, 15:36
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And it's only 3:30 pm

Where is it that they're reporting the #'s in real time in order to be able to already know the count for today?
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Because it's Friday

Well, he clearly meant to say "thousand" instead of "million." It wasn't a deliberate lie, if that's what the right-wing media is trying to paint it to be.

Current # of deaths in the US from COVID: 126K
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