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Yesterday in Vaud, no masks, a few people on the train with them, saw staff sneeze in hands and do nothing in the past days in shops. It's like nothing ever happened.
I've just had a weeks holiday, 5 days hiking around Zermatt and a couple of days by the Brienzersee (and very nice it was too).

My take is physical distancing is mostly only being practiced where there is no alternative but to comply, ie restaurants.
The queues at the Gornergratbahn were cheek and jowl outside and only regulated by a guard about 5m into the foyer, but nice to see the Swiss forming queues for a change.
Sunnegga just a melee, worst offenders for standing too close were the oldies, and most compliant the mums.
Both the train and funicular were rammed in the mornings, hardly any masks being worn.
My first hotel allowed access to the breakfast buffet unregulated, the second had it in a side room and a sign saying max 2 persons at once, however I counted 5 greys in there at one point.

Tie yourselves to the mast and prepare for the second ripple.
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Old 28.06.2020, 17:45
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Re: Coronavirus

Hospitalizations are still lagging the increase in positive tests, or at least for now the number of patients being released is sufficient to offset increased admissions.

Yesterday according to the same source I've used before
197 in hospital
11 in ICU
3 on ventilators

Data on testing on that site is a bit behind, most recent data is from 25 June:
6438 tests, only 45 positive
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Old 28.06.2020, 18:35
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Hospitalizations are still lagging the increase in positive tests, or at least for now the number of patients being released is sufficient to offset increased admissions.

Yesterday according to the same source I've used before
197 in hospital
11 in ICU
3 on ventilators

Data on testing on that site is a bit behind, most recent data is from 25 June:
6438 tests, only 45 positive
Being positive does not equal hospitalization.
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Old 28.06.2020, 19:01
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Being positive does not equal hospitalization.
Exactly. I think people are on edge right now as they see positive cases rise for the first time in weeks, assuming it means the worst and that we're headed into another lockdown.

At the moment it appears most new cases in Switzerland are not severe, so that's relatively reassuring.

In the U.S. though, it seems hospitalizations are rising along with positive tests in some areas.
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Old 28.06.2020, 19:59
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Exactly. I think people are on edge right now as they see positive cases rise for the first time in weeks, assuming it means the worst and that we're headed into another lockdown.
I don't believe there will be another lockdown, there is at least a 50% chance there will never be a vaccine so in the end we have to live with the virus. Protect the venerable but it must be their choice to spend the rest of their life 'locked up' they can only die once & death is not always the worst outcome for the person themselves if they are already ill.
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Old 28.06.2020, 20:01
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At the moment it appears most new cases in Switzerland are not severe, so that's relatively reassuring.
Can't tell yet. Hospitalisations lag infections by up to 2 weeks.
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Old 28.06.2020, 20:03
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Not exactly the same situation as early March
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Assuming you mean the number of tests, it is pretty well. You need to add the red and green lines together.
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Old 28.06.2020, 20:42
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I don't believe there will be another lockdown, there is at least a 50% chance there will never be a vaccine so in the end we have to live with the virus. Protect the venerable but it must be their choice to spend the rest of their life 'locked up' they can only die once & death is not always the worst outcome for the person themselves if they are already ill.
Yes. The venerable like Omtatsat have to be protected!
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Old 28.06.2020, 20:46
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Yes. The venerable like Omtatsat have to be protected!
Stay at home & preferably off line, the risk of catching it from the keyboard is very real especially if the person you are interacting with has the virus, I had it in January, you can't be too careful
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Stay at home & preferably off line, the risk of catching it from the keyboard is very real especially if the person you are interacting with has the virus, I had it in January, you can't be too careful
Well I guess I could hide behind a a psuedo name like His Holiness! That would protect me
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Old 28.06.2020, 21:56
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Not exactly the same situation as early March
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Yes, test are up and positivity rate down (0.7% now). BAG started to include this info now in their daily briefings (link on their daily Twitter case count post). Not that bad, but the trend is turning somewhat. Distancing is over in leisure settings I have the impression - however in shops I still find it pleasantly responsible (also compared to mask-wearing Germany where superamrkets are super full and no one distances).
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Old 28.06.2020, 21:57
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Can't tell yet. Hospitalisations lag infections by up to 2 weeks.
Which I have stated before, even as recently as a few days ago.

Unfortunately my source has decided to update the site with info starting from 1 June and now it's a bit confusing since the trends dating back a few months are gone.

If I'm reading it right, there have been 539 cases reported since 1 June, and during that time hospitalizations have decreased by a net 108, ICU decreased by a net 23, and ventilated decreased by a net 5.

During the time frame 1 - 25 June there have been 12 deaths.

If anyone has a link to rolling BAG data or a different site that shows the level of detail that corona-data.ch did before this silly change, please share.
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Old 28.06.2020, 21:57
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I don't believe there will be another lockdown, there is at least a 50% chance there will never be a vaccine so in the end we have to live with the virus. Protect the venerable but it must be their choice to spend the rest of their life 'locked up' they can only die once & death is not always the worst outcome for the person themselves if they are already ill.
For old people it is their choice.
I have an 83 year old neighbour.
His house has a room that opens directly onto the pavement.
He has equipped it with a beer barrel and pump.
Every evening he offers free beer to everybody who passes by.
I will be there in an hour..
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Old 28.06.2020, 22:02
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Yes, test are up and positivity rate down (0.7% now). BAG started to include this info now in their daily briefings (link on their daily Twitter case count post). Not that bad, but the trend is turning somewhat. Distancing is over in leisure settings I have the impression - however in shops I still find it pleasantly responsible (also compared to mask-wearing Germany where superamrkets are super full and no one distances).
You are correct, if we look at the number of tests in the time when we had 20-25 new infections per day, they were doing around 5000 tests a day. Today they are doing double the tests, close to 10k a day. So in reality the number of new infections hasn't increased in real terms, numbers have double because tests have doubled (and the fact taht anybody that wishes to do a test, can do so free of charge, which was not the case before)
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Old 28.06.2020, 22:05
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You are correct, if we look at the number of tests in the time when we had 20-25 new infections per day, they were doing around 5000 tests a day. Today they are doing double the tests, close to 10k a day. So in reality the number of new infections hasn't increased in real terms, numbers have double because tests have doubled (and the fact taht anybody that wishes to do a test, can do so free of charge, which was not the case before)
That may be. I still wouldn't be surprised if numbers keep going up (not to March levels, but generally up). Guess that means that we will keep the 1.5 m distance rule for quite a while.
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Old 28.06.2020, 23:17
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Which I have stated before, even as recently as a few days ago.

Unfortunately my source has decided to update the site with info starting from 1 June and now it's a bit confusing since the trends dating back a few months are gone.

If I'm reading it right, there have been 539 cases reported since 1 June, and during that time hospitalizations have decreased by a net 108, ICU decreased by a net 23, and ventilated decreased by a net 5.

During the time frame 1 - 25 June there have been 12 deaths.

If anyone has a link to rolling BAG data or a different site that shows the level of detail that corona-data.ch did before this silly change, please share.
As you posted hospitalizations and deaths are both lagging indicators.
Let us review this in three to four weeks and hope everything is still looking good.
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Old 29.06.2020, 00:22
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Which I have stated before, even as recently as a few days ago.

Unfortunately my source has decided to update the site with info starting from 1 June and now it's a bit confusing since the trends dating back a few months are gone.

If I'm reading it right, there have been 539 cases reported since 1 June, and during that time hospitalizations have decreased by a net 108, ICU decreased by a net 23, and ventilated decreased by a net 5.

During the time frame 1 - 25 June there have been 12 deaths.

If anyone has a link to rolling BAG data or a different site that shows the level of detail that corona-data.ch did before this silly change, please share.
You can see some data on SF. Isolations/quarantines up about 50% since early June as of a few days ago. Also number of tests IS a little lower than mid March but with many fewer positives.

As reported in the TA, the doubling time is now just 9 days.

I did read that the newest wave is mainly affecting 20 to 50 year olds so hopefully there will be less severe cases than before.

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/coro...in-der-schweiz
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Old 29.06.2020, 09:11
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If anyone has a link to rolling BAG data or a different site that shows the level of detail that corona-data.ch did before this silly change, please share.
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...rnational.html

Here is a link to a daily xls file with the data behind the daily situation report. You can calculate rolling averages from there.
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I've just had a weeks holiday, 5 days hiking around Zermatt and a couple of days by the Brienzersee (and very nice it was too).
A little quick off topic question. That trip sounds amazing. Did you bring your tent and camp with it during your hike? or did you sleep in cabins?
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Old 29.06.2020, 11:31
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One of my sons used public transport on Friday evening and wore a mask. Someone on the tram purposely barged him. In a separate incident on the same evening, one of his friends who he was meeting and who was also wearing a mask was deliberately coughed at. My son said he has heard that there is a sort of resistance group forming of people who are against the social distancing methods. I was interested to know if anyone has had a similar experience or has heard anything about this. My apologies in advance if it's been previously brought up on this thread.
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