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Re: Coronavirus

Unfortunately https://www.corona-data.ch/ has reset everything to 0 as of 1st June 2020. This makes it difficult to understand the developments over the serious months.
Does anyone know how to see their older data?
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Old 01.07.2020, 15:39
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Unfortunately https://www.corona-data.ch/ has reset everything to 0 as of 1st June 2020. This makes it difficult to understand the developments over the serious months.
Does anyone know how to see their older data?

Annoying isn´t it? Have been searching for something as well. So far this only shows totals and not per Kanton:


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
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Old 01.07.2020, 15:41
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better late than never but they should have implemented this 2 months back IMO
Yes and no.

Yes, yeah sure everything helps.

No since most (if not almost all) public transport was very calm/empty by then and masks still were a rarity to get hold of.

They should have implemented it with the last ease of restrictions, since around that time public transport started to really pick-up and masks have become easily obtainable.
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Old 01.07.2020, 15:56
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Well this is the crux here. The more you lock people in and the more you shield the healthy (with masks or otherwise), the longer it will take to create some immunity. In a slightly twisted way higher numbers would be preferred presuming they're minor cases - which in 99%+ is actually true anyway. Some people seem to believe we have zero immunity and are all inevitable victims to this thing, but most uf us DO have a working immune system, which in itself is doing a lot already and well capable of fighting this, like it can fight many other viruses. It's pretty clever that way.

Also btw, WHO says asymptomatic spread is extremely unlikely.

So I guess the only option is to observe, react where needed, observe some more (and stop morally questionable push messages and the like - even BAG - I'd be in favor of weekly reporting and that's all)
Well, the "let's have the virus running wild" approach to quick immunity does not look very appealing, so I guess the compromise is similar to what we are seeing now: controlled reopening with quick but isolated lockdowns / quarantines. Still, that means containment but not immunity.

That WHO statement on "no spread from asymptomatic persons" was misleading and they had to correct themselves. While it may be that truly asymptomatic persons (often kids) do not spread, the issue is presymptomatic persons, i.e. the one who will develop symptoms in a few days but do not know yet they carry the virus.
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Old 01.07.2020, 16:00
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Breaking news: Switzerland to quarantine travelers from "high risk" countries:

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSZ8N27U06H

And my OH literally just checked in at the airport for his flight to the US
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Old 01.07.2020, 16:14
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Breaking news: Switzerland to quarantine travelers from "high risk" countries:

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSZ8N27U06H

And my OH literally just checked in at the airport for his flight to the US
Seems like you'll have your buddy home for 10 days after his return.
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Old 01.07.2020, 16:15
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Double of very little is still very little. There's a reason trends need time to devlopment. I mean yesterday my beer consumption was 1000% higher than the previous day, and today has no relevant data.
On 10th March we had 123 new cases for the day and 369 total active cases. 9 days later we had over 1,100 new cases for the day and were approaching 5,000 total active cases.

Today we have something over 600 active cases.

The hospitalisations and deaths will only be seen in 2 or 3 weeks, they are a lagging not a leading indicator. It took until late March for the deaths to really kick in.

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Old 01.07.2020, 16:24
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600 a day if I am not mistaken and than peak was around 1200-1300 a day during lock down
Number of active cases was around 2400/2500 at time of lockdown (see date below), but that's irrelevant as the situation was fundamentally different - at the time no one had been testing for extended periods of time, no one really knew what it was.

Now they do.

Comparing with March is an apples-oranges situation.

However: lockdown was on 17 March (I came home from the States that day and remember), peak in new cases (if a daily absolute number is indication for anything which it probably isn't) very shortly after around 22 March, since then falling with some ups and downs which are entirely normal anyway and as mentioned, preferred. As Ato says, there's a reason it's called "trends".
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Old 01.07.2020, 16:38
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...peak in new cases (if a daily absolute number is indication for anything which it probably isn't) very shortly after around 22 March, since then falling with some ups and downs which are entirely normal anyway and as mentioned, preferred. As Ato says, there's a reason it's called "trends".
Nice that V thanked you given this confirms that the Swiss version of lockdown DID reduce cases. Given an incubation period of about 5 days, a peak around 22 March shows nicely that the lockdown worked.

Talking trends, just take a look over the last 2 or 3 weeks. As I posted before, the TA have picked early June as the start of the 2nd wave.
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Old 01.07.2020, 17:01
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Seems like you'll have your buddy home for 10 days after his return.
I won't mind him working from home but it might be a little tricky to set up a trading station at home so he can work. He was considered "essential" and worked at a remote office during the lockdown. Not ideal for him nor his employer from a work standpoint but what can you do?
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Old 01.07.2020, 17:05
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...Looks likely to be compulsory masks on public transport from tomorrow - even Berset has finally woken up and is expected to propose it.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/bundesr...v-531555375910 (need registration)
As for masks being compulsory on public transport, I think many players wanted it to happen (cantons, SBB) but none wanted to take the criticism from the public or be responsible for confusion. That left it to Berset to make it a national thing. I'm not surprised at this stage, it's possibly the #1 place right now where people are in close quarters for more than 15 minutes.
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Old 01.07.2020, 17:12
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As for masks being compulsory on public transport, I think many players wanted it to happen (cantons, SBB) but none wanted to take the criticism from the public or be responsible for confusion. That left it to Berset to make it a national thing. I'm not surprised at this stage, it's possibly the #1 place right now where people are in close quarters for more than 15 minutes.
and is there a fine for not wearing it?
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Old 01.07.2020, 17:22
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and is there a fine for not wearing it?
No fine is set, but you can be kicked out or the driver refuses to leave. The Swiss like their rules and imho this is widely supported amongst the population. And offc if you big mouth the driver, or hold up the bus there are fines for such.
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Old 01.07.2020, 17:24
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Horray! Masks become obligatory on public transport. Pity it takes them a week to implement it.

https://lenews.ch/2020/07/01/coronav...lic-transport/

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From 6 July 2020 onwards, everyone 12 years old or older must wear a mask on public transport in Switzerland. Public transport includes, buses, trains, trams, boats, gondolas and other lifts.

The new rules do not specify fines for noncompliance. But, Peter Füglistaler, director of the Federal Transport Office, told RTS that people behaving badly can be fined or removed from the train.

The government’s recent decision was taken after discussion with the cantons and is in line with recommendations from the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).
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Actually there will be fines. Just not stated how high yet.

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Old 01.07.2020, 17:46
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I am not saying this to be pedantic but face masks is a better term to use than mouth masks as they have to cover the nose as well as the mouth.
Lots of people wear the incorrectly as it is.
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Re: Coronavirus

And can one wear a bandana as a mask?
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Old 01.07.2020, 17:50
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Nope.

There is no fine for not wearing a mask, you can however be fined for not leaving the bus when ordered to. If you're friendly and just go out when ordered there is no fine. And how high those fines are you could simply look up if it interests you since they use existing fines.
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And can one wear a bandana as a mask?
If the people who might check you agree with it, you could even pull a condom over your head and hold your breath.
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Old 01.07.2020, 18:09
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I fear a different form of lockdown is coming, one that will still allow businesses to stay open.
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