Agree with this 100%, I think and have already said that Switzerland has handled the pandemic admirably.

This is the weird thing, even after all this time it’s incredible how little is still understood about how the virus behaves.

My point was not that all is nice and dandy. I just did not understand why some are still arguing that the lockdowns were excessive, harmful etc when the current (!) situation here seems to suggest that they were largely effective.

Just a "hunch"

Not weird at all. It’s barely half a year. It takes time to gather data and test hypotheses, gather more data and adjust. And sure, there have been similar viruses, but that’s not quite enough, imho.

The Chinese are quite serious about quarantine.

I have neighbour who works for Swiss and flew to China last week.
The crew bus took them to their hotel.
There was a bag of food and drink in their rooms and their door was locked until their crew call the next day to fly back.

Swiss must be a terrible airline to work for if they fly the following day after a 17 hour flight. I do not believe this claim that they return the following day, it's not credible & amazed you posted it!

The thought that the pilots would have been up for roughly 24 hours & then are happy to fly again for 17 hours makes me never ever want to step foot in a Swiss plane, of course it's a total fabrication......

I don’t think I wanna be holidaying in Florida anytime soon

Florida Sets Daily U.S. Record With Over 15,000 New Cases

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/w...s-updates.html

On long flights there are more pilots and they take periods of rests during the flight, it is very normal for a crew to fly back the next day.

No worries Edwin this is an internet forum; people are allowed to give opinions on topics they have no knowledge of.

As you know depending on the destination and route they can also take extra pilots on the outgoing flight who only take the controls on the return flight.

During the lockdown and up until about a month ago they were not allowed to leave the plane in China and had to sleep in the plane overnight. Those cargoes only flights had a full reserve crew for the return flight including flight attendants.

They filled the seats with parcels.


Edit; here are the FAA rules on pilot duty and rest time.

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I've seen articles that the Swiss crews, because of the quarantine restrictions, would remain aboard their airplane and sleep in the 1st class. Where necessary, there would be two full crews, one for either way. IIRC that was in connection with mask tranports and several weeks ago, of course practice may have changed.

Which is why it's called opinion

Not on Long Haul, where it's normal to spend several days before returning. I know numerous pilots who work full time which equals 4 long haul return flights a month.

There always used to be a 30 hour a Week, 100 hour a month, 1000 hour a year limit, has that gone the way of the dodo?

You are correct, it is still 1000 flying hours per year. Ryan Air pilots used to break them in 8-9 months and wet lease planes afterwards!

"Herd immunity" not looking so hopeful
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An important question yet to be answered is how well will a body remember and recognize virus reinfection and then how quickly manufacture the correct antibodies to fight the reinfection.

Well I guess in that case, all the shouting for a vaccine is completely pointless as well.

I still have plenty of immunity after 5 months. In some ways this makes sense as I never saw a Dr, my immune system just dealt with the problem.

Or a wet dream from drug companies if everybody needs to be vaccinated every 2 months.

How do you know? Did you retest for antibodies? It seems that it is an unreliable indication. The Covid19 streams mutate, too. Maybe you just haven't been exposed again to catch it again. The risk changes - behavior and exposure changes over the summer, too. Maybe fewer trips for groceries, public transport is not as filled, or whatever else..This is going to be tricky, though. Avoiding the infection and re-infection, I wonder how our life will be next year.

Or that.

Also fascinating how people love to bitch about the industry yet now are somehow desperate for a vaccine while at the same time doubting immunity is possible at all or claiming that to be "forced to get vaccinated" would be essentially unconstitutional. Ah, all the contradictions...

No or not necessarily. This was already considered by most teams before they started their work which is why the approaches being followed are mostly highly novel. They also have to assume a relatively high rate of mutation as is normal with RNA viruses. Also see Marton's last point. Even without immunity the severity of any second infection would be much reduced.

That "logic" makes no sense whatsoever. Also IIRC your test was a month or 2 back, you don't know what remains now.

As has been previously stated in this thread, vaccines are not a major earner for drug companies which is why most of the larger ones don't dirty their hands with them. Current assumption is an immunity of a year or two, therefore possibly an annual shot, just like flu now.

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