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Re: Coronavirus

My doctor's office called a bit ago, with my COVID test results.

Negative!

I'm so glad that I had it done. I feel relieved -- just knowing whether or not I have it. I couldn't allow myself to go out in public, without knowing for sure.

Anyways... Just wanted to mention again that the test doesn't hurt at all, and it really is such a relief to know whether or not you have it. I will not hesitate to be tested again in the future if I begin to notice anything strange in terms of symptoms. When I was there for the test, my doctor asked if I had been having a sore throat or headaches (I hadn't been). However, I did have a bad sore throat for a while last April, but I was never tested for the virus then because I didn't have any other symptoms (and didn't even know that a sore throat was a common symptom). One of the reasons I'd like to be tested for antibodies is because I'm curious if the strange shortness of breath and fatigue that I sometimes experience now could be due to having had the virus in the past but not knowing it. I'm just glad I was always wearing a mask in Migros, etc. in case I did have it. I realize though, that if I did have the virus last April, an antibody test right now would probably not test positive.

Curiously... Has anyone here been tested for antibodies?
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Old 16.07.2020, 11:44
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Curiously... Has anyone here been tested for antibodies?

Yes, negative. My GP had asked anyone who had an infection earlier this year to check that
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Old 16.07.2020, 11:45
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...everybody with an IQ of 100 or more should see this, it is simple basic math and logic...
That rules out quite a few of the posters on here.
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Yes positive, my wife was negative.
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My doctor's office called a bit ago, with my COVID test results.

Negative!
Sorry to be depressive but the bad news is there is an at least 20% chance of a false negative.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...me-for-testing
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Old 16.07.2020, 12:02
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Sorry to be depressive but the bad news is there is an at least 20% chance of a false negative.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...me-for-testing
I was curious if that was possible. It's now been two days since I felt any of the waves of shortness of breath or fatigue that I had been feeling for a few days prior, so hopefully my negative test result is indeed valid. I do have asthma due to a dust allergy, so I dusted and vacuumed my entire house very thoroughly and also stopped sleeping with a fan on, and that seems to have helped. I also took a warm epsom salt ("bittersalz") bath a few nights ago and haven't noticed any body aches since (that stuff is absolutely amazing for achy muscles). I will continue wearing a mask in public, though, and to be honest, I wish that more people would. Perhaps that will be the case this Autumn if the numbers begin to rise as predicted.

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Old 16.07.2020, 12:17
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Re: Coronavirus

I saw several saying no to wearing a mask, nothing happened to them either, is the law not something they can enforce?
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Old 16.07.2020, 12:40
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Re: Coronavirus

Shortness of breath/fatigue is a symptom of myriad of conditions, to my knowledge. Hormones, stress, apnea at nights, etc. To me it could be mites/dust/pollen, too. Better to talk to a pneumologist.
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Old 16.07.2020, 13:14
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Just wanted to mention again that the test doesn't hurt at all
I found the up-the-nose bit very disagreeable and it makes me wonder whether home self-test kits will produce accurate results as people will not shove the swab thing up as high as my doctor did...
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Old 16.07.2020, 13:40
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I found the up-the-nose bit very disagreeable and it makes me wonder whether home self-test kits will produce accurate results as people will not shove the swab thing up as high as my doctor did...
Yeah, I can see how that could easily happen with home test kits. I think it would be difficult for me to put something that far up my own nose.

Before my doctor did the test, she told me that the 'swab' has to reach up into a certain nerve area in order to produce a correct result. But the sensation is nothing like a nerve pain or nerve sensation. To me, it felt a lot like getting water up your nose at a pool, but that only lasted a few seconds. I was actually surprised that it didn't really hurt, because I had seen photos in the news of people having it done and making a really awful face, so I was expecting it to hurt I guess. So yes, it is not comfortable and it is a strange sensation, but for me at least, it was not at all painful. And I'm glad I had it done. If I ever have it done again, I now know that it's not really anything to dread in terms of the test itself. I'd rather have that test done than have blood drawn, to be honest. I once had blood drawn from my arm and it hurt extremely bad for some reason, and now I'm always really nervous whenever I have to have that done.
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Old 16.07.2020, 19:33
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Re: Coronavirus

@EdwinNL

The other issue with the idea of herd immunity is the time scale required.

If we assume that Sweden is seeking herd immunity and then let us look at the basic numbers.
According to worldometers Sweden had had a total of 76,000 cases in 4 months. With a population of ten million, we can propose they need at least eight million cases to achieve herd immunity.
At the current case rate they would need around 400 months (over 30 years) to clock up eight million.

Of course you can play around with these numbers and postulate they currently do not identify all the cases. If, for example, you say they only recognise a quarter of the infections then we are still talking of at least eight years to achieve herd immunity which is not a practical timescale.

Some authorities in Sweden claim that by the end of April between 3% and 5% of the population were infected which would imply between 3 to 5 years would be enough.

We will just have to wait and see
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Re: Coronavirus

Most importantly, on the way to herd-immunity, a lot of old people would die a sometimes quite horrible death.

Additionally, more and more side-effects and long-term effects of Covid19 are coming to light and it's becoming clearer every day that you really do not want to catch it, even if you happen to have a mild progression.
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Old 17.07.2020, 13:42
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According to worldometers Sweden had had a total of 76,000 cases in 4 months. With a population of ten million, we can propose they need at least eight million cases to achieve herd immunity.
At the current case rate they would need around 400 months (over 30 years) to clock up eight million.

Of course you can play around with these numbers and postulate they currently do not identify all the cases. If, for example, you say they only recognise a quarter of the infections then we are still talking of at least eight years to achieve herd immunity which is not a practical timescale.

Some authorities in Sweden claim that by the end of April between 3% and 5% of the population were infected which would imply between 3 to 5 years would be enough.

We will just have to wait and see
Thats what happens when you flatten the curve with lockdown & then practice social distancing. Interesting to know if the no of deaths is any different.
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Old 17.07.2020, 14:26
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are they really that dumb and thus fail understand even the most simple logic
Yep, trained professionals are dumb, Edwin from the NL on EF is the master guru.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundricht...g-fce6db5ba809
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Old 17.07.2020, 14:57
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Yep, trained professionals are dumb, Edwin from the NL on EF is the master guru.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundricht...g-fce6db5ba809
This is really interesting.
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Old 17.07.2020, 15:12
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This is really interesting.
Not really. He seems like a pompous ass.

Does, he really believe for example, as he suggests in his article, that the average scientist cannot interpret the results of a PCR correctly?
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Old 17.07.2020, 15:15
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Not really. He seems like a pompous ass.

Does, he really believe for example, as he suggests in his article, that the average scientist cannot interpret the results of a PCR correctly?
Interesting question, I hope he gets back to you with an answer. Not dissing him rudely in a public space would help.
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Yep, trained professionals are dumb, Edwin from the NL on EF is the master guru.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundricht...g-fce6db5ba809
I tried following this up.

Stadler's valid point seemed to me to be that the there is a contradiction when one says there was no natural immunity present against Covid 19 and then to maintain the the deaths are largely attributable to an immune/inflammation response gone into serious overdrive.

Other comments of his about corona being like a common cold that will just go away in the summer are plain crazy as are his downplaying of the mortality/serious complication rates.
Nothing he says seriously suggests "we got it wrong".

Maybe he is just being being misused by some media for political ends.
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Yep, trained professionals are dumb, Edwin from the NL on EF is the master guru.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundricht...g-fce6db5ba809
Excellent article explaining that many of the silent carriers without symptoms who test positive, are actually immune as they already had a very similar flue from the Corona family.

My cousin‘s husband in the UK is now into his 11th week in a London intensive care unit, having been in an induced coma for weeks and suffering a heart attack. He is now conscious, confused and making slow progress to recovery. He is 80.

Meanwhile his wife of the same age, who shares the same house and bedroom has not been ill at all. The article suggests she could in fact be immune...
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Yep, trained professionals are dumb, Edwin from the NL on EF is the master guru.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundricht...g-fce6db5ba809
Some people have a lot of knowledge but lack the ability to use it all properly.

Your link is a clear example of that.

It's like people knowing all the rules and how to move in Chess, but lack the deeper understanding of the tactics to ever win a game.

And purely the fact that somebody is a trained professional on its own means little to nothing to me, you can also find trained professionals who believe the earth is flat or 5G is very dangerous, bunch of idiots those are.
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