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Absurd that schools remain closed in many parts of the world for a virus that has a 1 in 3.5 million chance of killing children under 15. Absurd that millions will lose jobs for a virus that disproportionately kills only the very elderly. Absurd that people are terrified of a virus that statistically speaking has a extremely small chance of killing them.
It's not only about the virus killing people. It's also about those who become so sick that they need to be hospitalized (put on ventilators in order to breathe, etc.). Not to mention the fact that simply catching the virus can result in long-term lung damage, even if that person didn't have very severe symptoms while they were infected.

This study is dated March, 2020 so I have no idea how the stats have changed since then. But this study found that the majority of COVID patients who required hospitalization were under the age of 65.

Most patients hospitalized for COVID-19 are under 65, CDC finds
https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...oronavirus-age

Also, a recent study found that children "between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/h...n-schools.html
This may be partly responsible for why the number of cases began to rise again here in CH after junior high, high school and university kids went back to school around June 8th.
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:19
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It's not only about the virus killing people. It's also about those who become so sick that they need to be hospitalized (put on ventilators in order to breathe, etc.). Not to mention the fact that simply catching the virus can result in long-term lung damage, even if that person didn't have severe symptoms while they were infected.

This study is dated March, 2020 so I have no idea how the stats have changed since then. But this study found that the majority of COVID patients who required hospitalization were under the age of 65.

Most patients hospitalized for COVID-19 are under 65, CDC finds
https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...oronavirus-age

Also, a recent study found that children "between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/h...n-schools.html
This may be partly responsible for why the number of cases began to rise again here in CH after junior high, high school and university kids went back to school around June 8th.
Of course a few younger people will have long term damage, in the same way that a few young people have strokes or contract MND. The vast majority however make full recoveries and a good proportion are asymptomatic and not even aware they've had the virus! Certainly doesn't warrant the measures that have been put in place!
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:20
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Absurd that schools remain closed in many parts of the world for a virus that has a 1 in 3.5 million chance of killing children under 15. Absurd that millions will lose jobs for a virus that disproportionately kills only the very elderly. Absurd that people are terrified of a virus that statistically speaking has a extremely small chance of killing them.
Wouldn't a lot of schools be closed just now anyway due to summer holidays?
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:21
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Of course a few younger people will have long term damage, in the same way that a few young people have strokes or contract MND. The vast majority however make full recoveries and a good proportion are asymptomatic and not even aware they've had the virus! Certainly doesn't warrant the measures that have been put in place!

So they are welcome to infect others that may have long term damage as a result?
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:34
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Most patients hospitalized for COVID-19 are under 65, CDC finds
https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...oronavirus-age
This is not a study, but preliminary data from March. If you actually go to the study results, the picture is VERY different. link:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6912e2_w

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"This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:36
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Of course a few younger people will have long term damage, in the same way that a few young people have strokes or contract MND. The vast majority however make full recoveries and a good proportion are asymptomatic and not even aware they've had the virus! Certainly doesn't warrant the measures that have been put in place!
Well, long-term damage can include neurological damage, kidney problems, inflammation of the heart, blood clots and/or increased risk of blood clots, as well as lung damage, etc. I just came across an article the other day about more and more people reporting things like shortness of breath, "brain fog" and heart palpitations, etc. after having already recovered from COVID months ago. There is apparently a new study happening now in regard to the long-term and permanent damage that people who have contracted COVID can or may experience. I believe the study is referred to as CORAL, if my memory serves me correctly.

How Covid-19 can damage the brain
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...d-19-infection

Lifelong Lung Damage: A Serious COVID-19 Complication
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...e-in-their-20s

The emerging long-term complications of Covid-19, explained
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/2125189...fects-symptoms
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:40
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This is not a study, but preliminary data from March. If you actually go to the study results, the picture is VERY different. link:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6912e2_w

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"This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.
I wasn't referring to fatalities in my previous comment. I was referring to hospitalizations.

I clicked on your link but couldn't find any study results in there that contradicted the numbers / ages in terms of hospitalizations that my link had contained (that contradicted the preliminary data in terms of hospitalizations).
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:46
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I wasn't referring to fatalities in my previous comment. I was referring to hospitalizations.

I clicked on your link but couldn't find any study results in there that contradicted the numbers / ages in terms of hospitalizations that my link had contained (that contradicted the preliminary data in terms of hospitalizations).
You realize you're quoting a preliminary study? From March? From a sample of 508 for hospitalizations?
I quoted an outdated, but at least more valid and VASTLY less alarmist study which INCLUDES your preliminary one. Talk about selective data pointing...
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:58
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You realize you're quoting a preliminary study? From March? From a sample of 508 for hospitalizations?
I quoted an outdated, but at least more valid and VASTLY less alarmist study which INCLUDES your preliminary one. Talk about selective data pointing...
Go back and re-read my post. That's why I specifically wrote: "This study is dated March, 2020 so I have no idea how the stats have changed since then. But this study found that the majority of COVID patients who required hospitalization were under the age of 65."
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It may have already been posted here, but this is a podcast which I find extremely balanced, insightful and easy to understand for laymen. Osterholm is also honest about what is simply not known about the virus and the disease yet, or where there is inconclusive evidence.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars
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Absurd that schools remain closed in many parts of the world for a virus that has a 1 in 3.5 million chance of killing children under 15. Absurd that millions will lose jobs for a virus that disproportionately kills only the very elderly. Absurd that people are terrified of a virus that statistically speaking has a extremely small chance of killing them.
Tell those kids that they can re-open their schools if they start to run independent households instead of sharing households with their 30, 40, 50 year old parents, whom also work with other people of their age and of whom many still suffer a lot of complaints while it is months ago that they had the disease itself in a mild form.

Are you really that simple?
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Old 22.07.2020, 19:39
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Go back and re-read my post. That's why I specifically wrote: "This study is dated March, 2020 so I have no idea how the stats have changed since then. But this study found that the majority of COVID patients who required hospitalization were under the age of 65."
This study dated July 11 shows less than half US COVID-19 hospitalizations are aged over 65.
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Old 22.07.2020, 20:47
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Tell those kids that they can re-open their schools if they start to run independent households instead of sharing households with their 30, 40, 50 year old parents, whom also work with other people of their age and of whom many still suffer a lot of complaints while it is months ago that they had the disease itself in a mild form.

Are you really that simple?
Studies suggest that children are bad transmitters of the virus. (Example study below)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ch-study-shows

Schools in Switzerland (and other European countries) have been reopen until recently (for the summer holidays) without any significant increase in the number of infections.

Finally, EVEN IF children were significant transmitters of the virus, the chances of it killing a parent are MINUTE as most parents are under 65! From the data in Scotland: Age 20-49 - 0.009% chance of dying. So unless your dad is Bernie Ecclestone there's almost nothing to worry about!

Oh, and cool it with the insults.
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Old 22.07.2020, 21:03
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Studies suggest that children are bad transmitters of the virus. (Example study below)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ch-study-shows

Schools in Switzerland (and other European countries) have been reopen until recently (for the summer holidays) without any significant increase in the number of infections.

Finally, EVEN IF children were significant transmitters of the virus, the chances of it killing a parent are MINUTE as most parents are under 65! From the data in Scotland: Age 20-49 - 0.009% chance of dying. So unless your dad is Bernie Ecclestone there's almost nothing to worry about!

Oh, and cool it with the insults.
The data supports that young students seem hardly to transmit the virus (what you quote was a study on primary schools). Apparently teenagers on the other hand spread similar to adults. So also here generalizations seem not helpful. Looks all good here, but then Israel looks very different with spread in schools.

I guess everyone should be a bit more humble and acknowledge that we do not know all that much. If you look at the US, a whole new set of questions there in terms of effect on sub-65, black and hispanics, role of young people spreading, aerosol transmission etc.
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In March they start building this hyper hospital in London Excel Expo, about 3000 cabin bed enclosure with the respiratory machine, never seen a video from there with patients in beds. Does anyone have bird eye view from there as is a very tall ceiling?... I am curious to see the very crowded hyper hospital, with hundreds of ambulances in front probably?!... Now on BBC they said sorry that they probably miscalculated how many died from virus...actually is less...what can I do...just sarcastically to laugh...so much mixed signals from our heads of states, even if you want to belive them, can't, as is so confusing messages from them...
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Actually the undercounting is fairly minimal and only affects the PHE numbers. The ONS numbers are higher and not affected.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ut-not-by-much
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In March they start building this hyper hospital in London Excel Expo, about 3000 cabin bed enclosure with the respiratory machine, never seen a video from there with patients in beds. Does anyone have bird eye view from there as is a very tall ceiling?... I am curious to see the very crowded hyper hospital, with hundreds of ambulances in front probably?!... Now on BBC they said sorry that they probably miscalculated how many died from virus...actually is less...what can I do...just sarcastically to laugh...so much mixed signals from our heads of states, even if you want to belive them, can't, as is so confusing messages from them...
This is exactly what happened in Sweden as well.

They built a field hospital overestimating the needed hospitalization, due to the initial panic everywhere.

The field hospital was dismantled without having a single patient

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...never-used/amp
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Yes, and I guess it is easier to bitch from your couch with the benefit of hindsight than deciding in public office how to deal with a looming public health crisis.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ut-not-by-much
Pandemic is that when healthy people dying when the patient with cancer and other near terminal diseases are dying from infection with a virus that is calling miscarrying from the national health system and government...still didn't see pictures with the overcrowded hyper hospital in London Excel...
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Actually the undercounting is fairly minimal and only affects the PHE numbers. The ONS numbers are higher and not affected.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ut-not-by-much
From your article. I love it!

A Department of Health and Social Care source summed this up as: “You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”
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