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Old 23.07.2020, 00:26
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Yes, and I guess it is easier to bitch from your couch with the benefit of hindsight than deciding in public office how to deal with a looming public health crisis.
Didn't stay on the couch, since everything started until now I did work every day even Saturday as to cover those that were scared(those that left supermarkets with no paper and food)...I did use public transport all period and suddenly on 15 June, they decided to impose compulsory masks on TFL after 4 months of no masks in so called pandemic...
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Old 23.07.2020, 00:37
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Finally, EVEN IF children were significant transmitters of the virus, the chances of it killing a parent are MINUTE as most parents are under 65! From the data in Scotland: Age 20-49 - 0.009% chance of dying. So unless your dad is Bernie Ecclestone there's almost nothing to worry about!

Oh, and cool it with the insults.
Well, I'm a parent of an 8-year old, and if I caught the virus, there is a strong likelihood that I would die or become severely ill from it, because I have asthma and a heart condition due to my son's birth. Not to mention inadvertently passing it on to my 87-year old mother-in-law and potentially my elderly neighbors as well.

I think you need to take a more angled perspective on this. It's not simply about one particular individual and whether or not they would die (e.g. as parents). It's also about how that individual affects others or can potentially affect others.
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Old 23.07.2020, 00:59
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In March they start building this hyper hospital in London Excel Expo, about 3000 cabin bed enclosure with the respiratory machine, never seen a video from there with patients in beds. Does anyone have bird eye view from there as is a very tall ceiling?... I am curious to see the very crowded hyper hospital, with hundreds of ambulances in front probably?!... Now on BBC they said sorry that they probably miscalculated how many died from virus...actually is less...what can I do...just sarcastically to laugh...so much mixed signals from our heads of states, even if you want to belive them, can't, as is so confusing messages from them...
It is the Governments role to evaluate risks and then take precautions.

You could also say Governments spent a lot of money creating atomic weapons arsenals but never used them.

I am glad that the atomic weapons were never used and I am happy things did not get so bad that the hyper hospital had to be used.

I am glad that Goverments do take such precautions.
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Finally, EVEN IF children were significant transmitters of the virus, the chances of it killing a parent are MINUTE as most parents are under 65! From the data in Scotland: Age 20-49 - 0.009% chance of dying. So unless your dad is Bernie Ecclestone there's almost nothing to worry about!
Why is death the only endpoint that you're interested in? So if you "recover" from COVID-19 but have permanent lung damage and additional serious health issues affecting other parts of your body, everything's hunky-dory? Yeah, that doesn't seem to justify measures to prevent widespread infection.
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Old 23.07.2020, 08:54
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From your article. I love it!

A Department of Health and Social Care source summed this up as: “You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”
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“though the numbers where that situation would apply are likely to be very small”
Again, compared to the more reliable ONS numbers, PHE are anyway undercounting. Read the article to understand why.
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Old 23.07.2020, 09:58
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Soooo...yes, we screwed with the process, yes we admit the mistake, but don't worry, we THINK, that LIKELY there's no SIGNIFICANT over counting.
A bit too many ifs and buts, but then again, good enough for alarmism
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Old 23.07.2020, 09:59
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Why is death the only endpoint that you're interested in? So if you "recover" from COVID-19 but have permanent lung damage and additional serious health issues affecting other parts of your body, everything's hunky-dory? Yeah, that doesn't seem to justify measures to prevent widespread infection.
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Well, I'm a parent of an 8-year old, and if I caught the virus, there is a strong likelihood that I would die or become severely ill from it, because I have asthma and a heart condition due to my son's birth. Not to mention inadvertently passing it on to my 87-year old mother-in-law and potentially my elderly neighbors as well.

I think you need to take a more angled perspective on this. It's not simply about one particular individual and whether or not they would die (e.g. as parents). It's also about how that individual affects others or can potentially affect others.
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So they are welcome to infect others that may have long term damage as a result?
The chances of hospitalzation with Covid and also long term damage is also peanuts! Probably around 1% for fit and healthy people under 50. The lack of understanding of simple statistics is simply astounding! Now compare that to the long term effects of surviving cancer

What is however beyond debate is the affect of denying children an education. We know this can do long term damage, we know if affects younger children more than older children and we know it affects disadvantaged households far more than households with good incomes.
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Old 23.07.2020, 10:12
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What is however beyond debate is the affect of denying children an education. We know this can do long term damage, we know if affects younger children more than older children and we know it affects disadvantaged households far more than households with good incomes.
The Swiss have actually done a great job here. The teachers were supportive throughout the quarantine with bringing and picking schoolwork door-to-door in our case, online meetings and our kids' workload probably even increased during the lockdown. Then when schools opened, it was done with gradually increasing workloads too. So overall I don't think we missed much. Couldn't say so about other countries.

Re the hypothesized long-term damage: can anyone point to a data-driven factual study how many recovered suffer from long term brain and/or lung damage? Please, refrain from the generalist articles on the BBC with the few anecdotal cases or the 1-2 stories of people explaining how they feel bad. I am talking data.
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Old 23.07.2020, 10:12
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The chances of hospitalzation with Covid and also long term damage is also peanuts! Probably around 1% for fit and healthy people under 50. The lack of understanding of simple statistics is simply astounding!
You don’t know that, nobody does.
The simple fact is that at the moment we don’t have enough data and information so it is all just guesswork and speculation.
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Old 23.07.2020, 10:20
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You don’t know that, nobody does.
The simple fact is that at the moment we don’t have enough data and information so it is all just guesswork and speculation.
Which is why I said probably, the mounting evidence however seems to indicate that we'll end up with a number around this size. We already know that the vast majority of people who contract this virus either make full recoveries or don't even realise that they've had it in the first place! I've gone from being very concerned when the outbreak first came to light in late January to being completely nonplussed about the Coronavirus. This is simply based on the increased knowledge we now have on the risks attached to contracting the virus.
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Old 23.07.2020, 10:41
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The Swiss have actually done a great job here. The teachers were supportive throughout the quarantine with bringing and picking schoolwork door-to-door in our case, online meetings and our kids' workload probably even increased during the lockdown. Then when schools opened, it was done with gradually increasing workloads too. So overall I don't think we missed much. Couldn't say so about other countries.

Re the hypothesized long-term damage: can anyone point to a data-driven factual study how many recovered suffer from long term brain and/or lung damage? Please, refrain from the generalist articles on the BBC with the few anecdotal cases or the 1-2 stories of people explaining how they feel bad. I am talking data.
You are looking for data on long term damage from a disease that has only been around for a few months?
What is your definition of long term?
Three weeks?
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Old 23.07.2020, 10:44
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You are looking for data on long term damage from a disease that has only been around for a few months?
What is your definition of long term?
Three weeks?
You all seem to be shifting away from the mortality of the disease as data is not support this theory anymore and now seem to be raising alarmist bells based on some unproven fictions about long-term damage. So, I was curious where is this bed-time scary story coming from, that's all. But you made it clear, it doesn't exist. Thanks!
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Old 23.07.2020, 10:53
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Do you know in which summer camp in Graubünden 7 cases of coronavirus have been revealed recently?

My daughter is going to the camp in Graubünden in a few weeks. I hope it's not cancelled.
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Why is death the only endpoint that you're interested in? So if you "recover" from COVID-19 but have permanent lung damage and additional serious health issues affecting other parts of your body, everything's hunky-dory? Yeah, that doesn't seem to justify measures to prevent widespread infection.
Where do these people get their ideas from and why do they get so much space not only here but in lots of other places i.e. social media, press etc? It seems like it's a really well organised campaign and yeah, I might be paranoid but looking at what happens in other countries this is the only explanation I can come up with. It's just against common sense and against everything doctors working on the frontline keep saying for months, yet we have all this idiocy going on and on and on.

I'm sure some people are either naive or honestly believe in what they read from certain sources....but that's not the point here.
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You all seem to be shifting away from the mortality of the disease as data is not support this theory anymore and now seem to be raising alarmist bells based on some unproven fictions about long-term damage. So, I was curious where is this bed-time scary story coming from, that's all. But you made it clear, it doesn't exist. Thanks!
Of course there is no evidence of long term damage just yet, it’s impossible to know long term effects for something that has only existed for a short time so it is all just speculation at the moment as I said earlier.

That’s why your question was nonsensical.
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Of course there is no evidence of long term damage just yet, it’s impossible to know long term effects for something that has only existed for a short time so it is all just speculation at the moment as I said earlier.

That’s why your question was nonsensical.
Yeah, it's a "speculation" based on the X-rays and CT scans performed in hospitals' covid-19 sections.

But what do the doctors treating people infected with covid know.
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Of course there is no evidence of long term damage just yet, it’s impossible to know long term effects for something that has only existed for a short time so it is all just speculation at the moment as I said earlier.

That’s why your question was nonsensical.
When did we discover how to grow back tissue in holes in the lungs?
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Yeah, it's a "speculation" based on the X-rays and CT scans performed in hospitals' covid-19 sections.

But what do the doctors treating people infected with covid know.
They know what the effects are at the moment based on the evidence they have , the ‘speculation’ part is how this will evolve over time and only time will tell us that.
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Old 23.07.2020, 11:27
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That’s why your question was nonsensical.
So my question where is this info coming from is non-sensical, but the claim that there is long term damage is not nonsensical?

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Do you know in which summer camp in Graubünden 7 cases of coronavirus have been revealed recently?

My daughter is going to the camp in Graubünden in a few weeks. I hope it's not cancelled.
FWIW looks like it's going to be quite a bit more than 7 cases - this is only the confirmed so far. The report speaks of "eine Reihe von Verdachtsfällen". Some of the infected moved from this camp to others, there are several affected. As usual in Switzerland, the camps have not been identified..

Those exposed are now in quarantine, isolation or hospital (196 / 14 / 2) and the camps already stopped. There's no talk of stopping the camps at the moment but their protection concepts are going to be significantly improved.

However you still might want to rethink the idea of sending her there.

https://www.suedostschweiz.ch/politi...in-graubuenden

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