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Thanks. That's why I don't remember it: I usually remember what people meant rather than what they said. And what he really meant could be read later in the article.

Anyway, I don't understand why do some people have issues about Koch's words or decisions related to kids. Did the fact that he allowed kids to hug their grandparents increase the number of cases among old people? Did reopening of the schools & KiGa's caused the outbreak of the virus among kids? AFAIK, there are still no evidence about small kids passing virus to others, inspite of Drosten's study about similar amount of virus in the mucous of kids and adults. On the other hand, Koch said that the drivers of the epidemic are young adults and that is exactly what we see now with reopening of the clubs. So, wasn't he right after all?
People regardless of whom, how and where but some even more than others like people who have a whole nation listening to them for advise and facts should say what they mean. And not say words that are contradicted by what the want to say, to many people (even some in this topic) will remember only those words and don't care about what has been said about that later on.
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Old 26.07.2020, 01:08
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Remarkable 99-year-old who survived the Nazis, plane crash and cancer beats COVID-19

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/joy-andrew...074820964.html
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Old 26.07.2020, 17:47
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Maybe (well almost definitely) I'm a miserable bastard but the social aspect of working in an office was about the worst part for me. I've been working from home almost exclusively for the last 4 or so years now and it was the best thing I've ever done.

These people I work with are just exactly that. They just happened to get a job in the same department or on the same project as me. Doesn't mean I'm obliged to like them or to get along with them. We have face to face meetings a few times per years and I very much dread them.
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Old 26.07.2020, 20:15
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https://www.20min.ch/story/spaeterer...t-207069315335

A later lockdown could have cost 6000 deaths more says a study
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Old 26.07.2020, 22:05
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I happen to be in one of those companies in Basel. There's serious discussion internally that the lockdown and home office works in the short-term only, but is detrimental to the long-term as it tends to diminish team work into a transactional affair with no human interaction. So, at least we, are preparing for a "future" in which there will be work from a remote location, but there's expectation that team-members will be at least 2-3 days in the office to interact. Zoom can only do so much. But it's actually a surprisingly deep and good discussion that we're involved in right now and I can tell you that it's a rare thing to see senior managers genuinely concerned about human interactions. I'm, for the time being, relatively positive.
Many companies are outsourcing to organisations in remote parts of the world located in different time zones and that seems to work OK without social interactions or teamwork with local workers.
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https://www.20min.ch/story/spaeterer...t-207069315335

A later lockdown could have cost 6000 deaths more says a study
I wonder, how could 1 week earlier lockdown have prevented 1600 deaths out of 2000 if most of the deaths happened in nursery homes? What would have changed for the residents of these homes and for their caregivers (many of whom came from Italy and France) if schools, hairdressers and cafes have been closed 1 week earlier?
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Old 27.07.2020, 09:03
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Many companies are outsourcing to organisations in remote parts of the world located in different time zones and that seems to work OK without social interactions or teamwork with local workers.
I've said it with a few occasions before - many foreigners/expats don't really have social interactions other than their working place and hanging out with work colleagues. And before anyone tries to vehemently dismiss my opinion I know plenty of foreigners who share my opinion. As a stay-at-home parent you're actually privileged from this pov because you get to hang with locals due to your children. So yeah, I can understand why some companies are a bit worried for their highly-skilled employees who cost them a bunch of money and are not that easily replaceable as some might think.
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This is an interesting development. The campus supports a lot of businesses, not to mention the restaurants and bars during the week.
If Roche announces the same, that's not great for the local economy.
Roche has always had a working from home program and offered flexible working time for their employees. They have been restructuring for years due to patents expiring with 100's of employees let go and no mention in the local Swiss media. (We all assumed somebody must have been paid off.) One has to wonder why they continue to build towers in Basel when they are doing everything they can to outsource any and all work.

Novartis also simultaneously has been moving jobs away from Basel, which was well covered in the media. Seems like COVID-19 will help them continue to do so...
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Old 27.07.2020, 11:21
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Re: Coronavirus

Fascinating article by the FT today

https://www.ft.com/content/f7be28a0-...c-09c932f32901

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"But every day for the past two weeks, Swedish company after Swedish company has beaten expectations. From telecoms equipment maker Ericsson to consumer appliances manufacturer Electrolux via lender Handelsbanken and lockmaker Assa Abloy, Swedish companies have delivered profits well above what the market was expecting..."


"But its excess mortality levels have been lower than other European countries that have locked down such as the UK, France, Spain and Belgium..."
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Old 27.07.2020, 11:46
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Roche has always had a working from home program and offered flexible working time for their employees. They have been restructuring for years due to patents expiring with 100's of employees let go and no mention in the local Swiss media. (We all assumed somebody must have been paid off.) One has to wonder why they continue to build towers in Basel when they are doing everything they can to outsource any and all work.

Novartis also simultaneously has been moving jobs away from Basel, which was well covered in the media. Seems like COVID-19 will help them continue to do so...
Of course this is the perfect playing ground for the big ones to continue doing what they've been doing for years. Having worked for one of the above for a decade, it's nothing new though - jobs have come and gone over and over again, it's always the same spiel, at some point it became normal and boring to watch (oh outsourcing again? Ok sure, let's just wait a couple of years and then the jobs are back anyway - and sure enough, they mostly are)

That said, it's funny how people seem to think "yay, I can work from anywhere now". Well sure you can, so now why would they pay you in CH or - more extreme yet - in the US?

That aside though, there's more to a job than just salary, so greenmount is right of course, many people can't be as easily replaced "somewhere" as people seem to think. Hence my earlier comment that I don't expect anything more substantial than we've seen before, not in the mid- to long-run anyway.
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Old 27.07.2020, 11:47
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Fascinating article by the FT today

https://www.ft.com/content/f7be28a0-...c-09c932f32901

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"But every day for the past two weeks, Swedish company after Swedish company has beaten expectations. From telecoms equipment maker Ericsson to consumer appliances manufacturer Electrolux via lender Handelsbanken and lockmaker Assa Abloy, Swedish companies have delivered profits well above what the market was expecting..."


"But its excess mortality levels have been lower than other European countries that have locked down such as the UK, France, Spain and Belgium..."
Is there a reason why you only quoted the half of that paragraph that fitted your narrative?

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Sweden’s coronavirus approach has been highly controversial internationally as its death rate per capita has been far higher than neighbouring Norway, Denmark and Finland. But its excess mortality levels have been lower than other European countries that have locked down such as the UK, France, Spain and Belgium.
The full quote. I guess it's hard for some people to read the full article as the FT is behind a paywall.
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Fascinating article by the FT today

https://www.ft.com/content/f7be28a0-...c-09c932f32901

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"But every day for the past two weeks, Swedish company after Swedish company has beaten expectations. From telecoms equipment maker Ericsson to consumer appliances manufacturer Electrolux via lender Handelsbanken and lockmaker Assa Abloy, Swedish companies have delivered profits well above what the market was expecting..."


"But its excess mortality levels have been lower than other European countries that have locked down such as the UK, France, Spain and Belgium..."
I always said Sweden was doing the right thing, they will have heard immunity & ultimately less deaths as a result.
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Old 27.07.2020, 12:02
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I always said Sweden was doing the right thing, they will have heard immunity & ultimately less deaths as a result.
They are already seeing this. Look at the Daily Deaths graph. It's now almost the same as Denmark.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/
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They are already seeing this. Look at the Daily Deaths graph. It's now almost the same as Denmark.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/






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Old 27.07.2020, 12:54
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Yes, exactly. Single digit in both countries since beginning of July. Also, doesn't the trend tell you something?
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GDP forecast by country. Sweden not terrible, but hardly better than DK or PL for example. Shows that, "lockdown" or not, people won't consume if they don't feel safe.

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Yes, exactly. Single digit in both countries since beginning of July. Also, doesn't the trend tell you something?
Are you being serious just now?

The last daily death figure in Sweden (from your link) was 10 and was double digit many times in July
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GDP forecast by country. ]
Keyword in your statement is "forecast". As clearly explained in the FT article, almost all Swedish companies beat the "forecasts" so maybe, just maybe, no lockdown was actually quite good for the economy and as shown by the trend of daily deaths: quite good for the health overall too. So, the Swedes seem to have struck the right balance.

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Are you being serious just now?
Let me try again: TREND IS...?
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Old 27.07.2020, 13:31
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Read again and stop telling lies.
Once again, if something doesn't fit your alarmist narrative it's a lie. Indeed, the FT is not really known for alarmism so i get your persistent dislike for facts, but you'll get there eventually!
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1. Sweden already admitted itself weeks ago they did to little and that due to the many deaths their method failed, and next time would do more like the rest of Europe did.
Really? Hm, EdwinNL is again in fairy-tale land. Read carefully what the state epidemiologist leading the strategy said last week

"It feels good. I mean, finally, we are where we hoped we would be much earlier on,"

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133

Btw, if even the BBC is starting to ask itself these questions, when will you start too?
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