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Just checked Korea and they had many elements of the Swiss lockdown, albeit often on a local level to deal with the localised outbreaks that characterised the disease there.

However the main element there (and at least also in Taiwan) was a test and trace regime that would have most here screaming about government interference. Your phone gets taken from you and your every move over the previous days ruthlessly followed up. Quarantine is strict and enforced.

Plus the populace - driven by their memories of the SARS1 outbreak - did much of the necessary without having to be told. A resident of Daegu (location of the first larger outbreak there) described the city as being "like someone dropped a bomb in the middle of the city. It looks like a zombie apocalypse."

Exactly. They took different and better measures.
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Old 28.07.2020, 21:55
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Re: Coronavirus

All around the world, the coronavirus and its restrictions are pushing already hungry communities over the edge, cutting off meager farms from markets and isolating villages from food and medical aid. Virus-linked hunger is leading to the deaths of 10,000 more children a month over the first year of the pandemic, according to an urgent call to action from the United Nations shared with The Associated Press ahead of its publication in the Lancet medical journal.

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Sweden could quickly turn into the template for the second wave...one which they might not have altogether.

The Health Agency of Sweden says that since hitting a peak in late June, the infection rate has fallen sharply. That’s amid an increase in testing over the period. “The curves are going down and the curves for the seriously ill are beginning to approach zero,” Tegnell said.

“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport,” he said.

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I wonder how many politicians of Southern European countries have also been critical of Sweden’s approach right before asking Sweden to bail out their economies that have been crippled by their Covid response

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...uld-have-right
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Re: Coronavirus

Sweden still discourages masks. Spain still restricts movements.

In the meantime...

Norway to restrict travel from Spain, opens more to Sweden

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN24P1M1
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Sweden still discourages masks. Spain still restricts movements.

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Norway to restrict travel from Spain, opens more to Sweden

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN24P1M1

I assume the Swedes believed in "social distancing" even before the pandemic...


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Sweden has largely relied on voluntary social distancing guidelines since the start of the pandemic, including working from home where possible and avoiding public transport.
There's also been a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, restrictions on visiting care homes, and a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants. The government has repeatedly described the pandemic as "a marathon not a sprint", arguing that its measures are designed to last in the long term.
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Are Swedes better at social distancing?
Anders Tegnell says his modelling indicates that, on average, Swedes have around 30% of the social interactions they did prior to the pandemic.
And a survey released this week by Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency suggests 87% of the population are continuing to follow social distancing recommendations to the same extent as they were one or two weeks earlier, up from 82% a month ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133

If you read the article their strategy wasn't that different in reality.
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Old 29.07.2020, 08:25
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133

If you read the article their strategy wasn't that different in reality.

Sweden relied on voluntary social distancing guidelines. That's really different than especially the countries with really strict lockdown policies.
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Old 29.07.2020, 08:37
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Re: Coronavirus

Much more interesting, to me at least, is how Sweden was the bad-boy example, including here on EF, and now in hindsight when it seems to be working everyone seems to be saying "sure, it's logical, we knew it!" but in reality the vast majority of people and media were portraying this as a failed strategy. A lesson to try to look at numbers in context, rather than just reading headlines, i guess.
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'More than half of Mumbai slum-dwellers had Covid-19'

Amazing, 57% of the people tested in slum areas have had exposure to the virus yet with very few deaths. Herd immunity could have been the way to go from the outset.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53576653

In the UK, the number of deaths is now trending below the 5 year suggesting that one of the effects of of Covid has to bring death forward by a few months for the very elderly.
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That's exactly the thought that triggers certain people to make an ASSUMPTION that the excess deaths will be in the end of the year close to 0, just a question of timing within the year. Which is what the Swedes seem to be doing.

If there's indeed a huge percentage of a population with immunity from having T-cells (30-50%, depends who you ask) and the virus has been contracted among the rest with a death-rate of 3-4% there isn't much one can do before vaccination as life just can't go on under full lockdown. keep the vulnerable inside, let the rest roam and work.

Hong Kong, a good-boy example here is seeing a massive spike of cases now. Food for thought: why?


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'More than half of Mumbai slum-dwellers had Covid-19'

Amazing, 57% of the people tested in slum areas have had exposure to the virus yet with very few deaths. Herd immunity could have been the way to go from the outset.
The poor of India are not known for their obesity either.
Not sure on their life expectancy overall and how old they get to.
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My point was and has been for a while that in effect a "lockdown" like in CH, Germany, Denmark (i.e. not the lock-up they had in Italy or Spain) seems to have similar results economically as the "Swedish approach". I don't buy the argument - which seems to be used by "lockdown opponents" - that without these government measures we would have a hunky dory economy and we would have prevented the social cost. You see this also in the US now, where even when restaurants were open, table bookings were going south in the areas with high case numbers.

The Swedes f-ed up the situation in care homes, which may explain their significantly higher death per capita numbers. So yes, that is different.
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Old 29.07.2020, 10:21
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That's exactly the thought that triggers certain people to make an ASSUMPTION that the excess deaths will be in the end of the year close to 0, just a question of timing within the year. Which is what the Swedes seem to be doing.

If there's indeed a huge percentage of a population with immunity from having T-cells (30-50%, depends who you ask) and the virus has been contracted among the rest with a death-rate of 3-4% there isn't much one can do before vaccination as life just can't go on under full lockdown. keep the vulnerable inside, let the rest roam and work.

Hong Kong, a good-boy example here is seeing a massive spike of cases now. Food for thought: why?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53575875
Well, to be fair many Asian countries have a different sense for what
a "massive spike of cases" is. HK has 7.5 million residents and now reports 100 case per day. This is not very different from Switzerland with its 8.5 million people. I hear no one screaming "outbreak" here.
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Old 29.07.2020, 12:09
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I don't buy the argument - which seems to be used by "lockdown opponents" - that without these government measures we would have a hunky dory economy and we would have prevented the social cost.
To be honest whether you agree with facts or not is irrelevant.

"Better than expected numbers suggests no-lockdown strategy helped business"

https://www.ft.com/content/f7be28a0-...c-09c932f32901


"Nordic countries and in particular Sweden are set to weather the coronavirus crisis better than most of Europe's economies"

https://www.thelocal.no/20200725/swe...unch-in-europe

So yes, no lockdown in the Swedish way seems to have helped the economy. And now we know it has helped to contain the virus. I would see this as a winning strategy

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a "massive spike of cases" is.
You should think relative and trend-wise. Moving from under 10 per per day to over 100 per day is a spike.
From the BBC article

"Hong Kong - which had early success against Covid-19 - is now regularly reporting over 100 new daily cases. Less than a month ago, the average number of new daily cases was under 10."
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Hello,


Has anybody here recently (after July 6th) received a guest from a country with a high risk of infection, as US or other country?
If yes, do you know if they can stay at my home? I have available a separate bedroom, but anyway we have to share other places, as bathroom, etc.
Because in the documents released from BAG it is not clear what does mean "suitable accommodation".


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