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Old 29.07.2020, 14:12
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Has anybody here recently (after July 6th) received a guest from a country with a high risk of infection, as US or other country?
If yes, do you know if they can stay at my home? I have available a separate bedroom, but anyway we have to share other places, as bathroom, etc.
Because in the documents released from BAG it is not clear what does mean "suitable accommodation".


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AFAIK suitable = where you have no contact with others. Anyway, people from the US are not allowed to enter the country, except under very limited circumstances
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AFAIK suitable = where you have no contact with others. Anyway, people from the US are not allowed to enter the country, except under very limited circumstances


even if do they have a EU pass?
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Old 29.07.2020, 15:01
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even if do they have a EU pass?

Passport is irrelevant, it depends on where you live.
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Old 29.07.2020, 15:06
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Old 29.07.2020, 16:43
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So why were there so many deaths early on if they did the same in reality
Many deaths early on, where? In the south, but not in Sweden.

The virus appears to have arrived in Europe's south (Italy) and made its way up north, giving the northern countries much more leeway. Sweden managed to slow the virus reproduction rate, but far from enough to get it below 1. Daily test-positives in Sweden still exploded from 61 on March 15 to 722 on April 9 and above 1k per day later on. Even despite comparatively low test volumes.

The virus was present in Milano and another city in Italy's north, Torino I believe, as early as mid-December as wastewater samples prove.

At least for Switzerland there was no patient zero as the RNA from early tests showed a multitude of independent strains/mutations.
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Old 29.07.2020, 19:40
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Re: Coronavirus

Apparently Russia plans to approve their version of a vaccine within two weeks, they aim for August 10.

The caveat is that the vaccine is still in phase 2 trials. The developers argue that they're using an existing platform that has been proven safe, like Moderna does. Still, EU and US approval seems anything but a given.

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Old 29.07.2020, 20:57
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Apparently Russia plans to approve their version of a vaccine within two weeks, they aim for August 10.
Testing has probably already started among political prisoners and among opposition supporters

Unfortunately for Putin, the vaccine might actually work and the opposition will survive!
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Old 29.07.2020, 22:34
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Unfortunately for Putin, the vaccine might actually work and the opposition will survive!
All the better, they're scarce nowadays and worth saving for later use.
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Old 29.07.2020, 22:43
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All around the world, the coronavirus and its restrictions are pushing already hungry communities over the edge, cutting off meager farms from markets and isolating villages from food and medical aid. Virus-linked hunger is leading to the deaths of 10,000 more children a month over the first year of the pandemic, according to an urgent call to action from the United Nations shared with The Associated Press ahead of its publication in the Lancet medical journal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

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Well FMF and myself said that in April or May, but we're probably low IQ The worst on this has yet to come anyway.

Beyond that, lockdowns have merely extended/delayed the inevitable, an argument made my quite a few (non-EFers and EFers alike), yet scalded by many more. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if in the mid-term, Sweden - choosing the most popular example, though there are others - walked away with much better results (however that may be defined, narrow or broad) compared to all those who locked everyone in after having 3 cases and are now surprised to discover more since they're actually testing now, something they haven't done back in March. As has been made abundantly clear from day 1 - even if everyone seems to have forgotten that - eradication was never the intention, at most it was to buy time to understand more about the "novel" virus (aside from not overburdening healthcare system which really didn't happen anywhere with maybe a handful of exceptions). And yet it's become a ridiculous arms race of sorts (something I also already said months ago) about "who can get rid of it the fastest".

The most significant piece is now beyond clear and universally accepted: it's nowhere near as dangerous or lethal as was initially believed, mortality varies WIDELY within different age ranges and depending on by now equally well-known risk factors, and aside from the odd exception, it is of no danger to almost all people who are generally healthy and young-ish. Exceptions always apply, and young healthy people sometimes randomly die from heart attacks or a stroke or even the good old flu or pneumonia or meningitis (some people - and no, no one in specific, this is a general statement - also seem to have limited awareness of what the real flu actually is, how that knocks you out from one second to another, and that it lands a very significant number in the hospital just as much - what most of us have a bunch of times a year is not a flu). Being infected also is not the same as actually being sick, and being sick most certainly doesn't equal severely ill, let alone death. Humans carry many viruses at any time, most of us never get sick from any of them.

My hypothesis - and disclaimer, this is a personal opinion not based on scientific research: no one has a clue how to get out of the mess that has been created in blind panic - which arguably at the beginning was sort of understandable - and instead of just admitting they may have gone too far, they do another round of random things based on nothing, if merely to not be held accountable later. Some of these things are within the acceptable and understandable in light of trying to understand more about the virus, others are simply not and overall, this is definitely no longer a matter of health.

If one digs a little deeper into some of the publicly available data, it is obvious that this continues to be an apples-oranges situation. The US reporting both antibody and positive PCR tests in one and the same number is one example, China not having reported one single test in over two weeks yet magically a handful of cases every day, testing methods varying widely yet somehow they all flow into the same thing, pretending to be objective and comparable etc.
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Old 29.07.2020, 23:04
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Sweden relied on voluntary social distancing guidelines. That's really different than especially the countries with really strict lockdown policies.
It might have something to do with the Swedes being more inclined to trust authorities and adhere to rules....voluntarily.
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Old 29.07.2020, 23:19
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It might have something to do with the Swedes being more inclined to trust authorities and adhere to rules....voluntarily.
Are you implying the Swiss don'r follow rules? The do in the Swiss German speaking part
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The most significant piece is now beyond clear and universally accepted: it's nowhere near as dangerous or lethal as was initially believed,
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Old 30.07.2020, 11:10
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Re: Coronavirus

The US is reporting they have over a third of the worldwide active COVID cases. New US cases are stabilising as are hospitalisations but at high levels whereas deaths are rising, over 1,400 yesterday.
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Old 30.07.2020, 13:22
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It might have something to do with the Swedes being more inclined to trust authorities and adhere to rules....voluntarily.

Not only that. You could say the same about Austria and Germany, which both had a lock down.


Maybe Sweden's relatively isolated location and low population density helped too.
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Old 30.07.2020, 17:19
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Re: Coronavirus

Facemasks likely to be required in all indoor spaces in (probably) all cantons shortly.

Also max 100 people in any given bar or club plus stronger ID controls

Being pushed by the BAG, it is expected that more-or-less all cantons will follow.

https://www.20min.ch/story/bund-will...n-960873724173
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Old 30.07.2020, 21:31
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Facemasks likely to be required in all indoor spaces in (probably) all cantons shortly.

Also max 100 people in any given bar or club plus stronger ID controls

Being pushed by the BAG, it is expected that more-or-less all cantons will follow.

https://www.20min.ch/story/bund-will...n-960873724173
Feels a bit weird. Federal govt somewhat shy to lead, maybe also due to the claims of "undemocratic" rule in March-June. Cantons seems super hesitant to do their thing and claim Federation does not properly inform/guide/support. Guess nobody wants to be the one calling tough shots if needed.
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well, 276 zombies: finally zombie apocalypse is upon us!
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Old 30.07.2020, 23:02
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Re: Coronavirus

Two separate analyses show corvid death rates jn Italy to be significantly higher than officially reported. The authors believe this applies to other countries.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sterben...s-799751799638
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Old 30.07.2020, 23:10
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Two separate analyses show corvid death rates jn Italy to be significantly higher than officially reported. The authors believe this applies to other countries.

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They reported the same for The Netherlands today too.
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All around the world, the coronavirus and its restrictions are pushing already hungry communities over the edge, cutting off meager farms from markets and isolating villages from food and medical aid. Virus-linked hunger is leading to the deaths of 10,000 more children a month over the first year of the pandemic, according to an urgent call to action from the United Nations shared with The Associated Press ahead of its publication in the Lancet medical journal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

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Well FMF and myself said that in April or May, but we're probably low IQ The worst on this has yet to come anyway.
Not sure about your IQ, maybe take a few tests...

Just what does it matter how other world regions react? Basically all posts here are on Europe or North America, with a rare few ones on Asia, none on Africa. Each country needs to decide for itself, and of course reactions "here" have exactly zero bearing on what happens elsewhere. Claiming that advocating for certain measures in a developed country means unconditionally that the same must be done everywhere else is simply nonsensical.

The real cause for the famine in eastern and sub-sahara Africa however is locusts. You know, like, one of the biblical plagues. Of course Covid-19 is anything but a help, but the famine would exist with or without it.

The famine, mind, is a problem that has been in the making for quite some time.

Oxfam in January
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Since FAO launched its first appeal to help what was at the time three affected countries, the locust swarms have moved rapidly across vast distances and as of 12 February, have been sighted in Djibouti, Eritrea, South Sudan, Uganda and Tanzania.
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