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Just heard that The World Economic Forum in January in Davos might not go ahead, has anyone read any news on that too?
I have now found this https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-great-...-2021/45806218 regarding the WEF. It is going ahead but with about half the numbers.
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I can't believe that all the 20 year olds are social distancing in the clubs after a few drinks. If they aren't surely an outbreak is inevitable sooner or later, especially with cases rising.
Of course they are not! THey are most likely deep kissing!
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I have now found this https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-great-...-2021/45806218 regarding the WEF. It is going ahead but with about half the numbers.
Who gives a fick about WEF!
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Re: Coronavirus

We just need to flatten the curve.
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We just need to flatten the curve.
That was then, but this is now, and they seem to want to eradicate the virus, with these mad lockdowns, like in Melbourne, and the vastly ineffectual ones in the UK.
As discussed ad infinitum, the cat is (long) out of the bag.
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Old 04.08.2020, 08:37
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Re: Coronavirus

78% of recovered Corvid-19 patients in a Frankfurt University Hospital study have long-term heart damage, regardless of the severity of the infection or age.

"...cardiac magnetic resonance imaging revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis."

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Is Melbourne going crazy with their new restrictions! And yes I know its a POLICE STATE! with a mongrel government

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavi...9-daily-update
Taking people away in handcuffs,5000 CHF fines ,police smashing open car windows, house control for offenders. And all because of 123 deaths since the whole thing started. Police state YES! The deep south! And 250,000 will be unemployed in Melbourne because of this incompetent govt in AU
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Taking people away in handcuffs,5000 CHF fines ,police smashing open car windows, house control for offenders. And all because of 123 deaths since the whole thing started. Police state YES! The deep south! And 250,000 will be unemployed in Melbourne because of this incompetent govt in AU
More exaggeration and sensationalism from you.

One car window was smashed to arrest Eve Black, the woman who refused to follow medically sound instructions issued under the state of emergency. Those instructions are issued to protect EVERYBODY, and if individuals refuse to follow them, they risk the health not just of themselves, but of everybody around them. Just like smokers, only much more likely to cause lasting harm. Or like vaccinations; it won't work unless everybody pulls together.

CHF 5,000 fines apply only to repeat offenders. The fine for not wearing a mask is in the very low three figures.

Read baboon's post immediately above yours if you still don't understand why everybody needs to work together to defeat this virus.

The US had 123 COVID-19 deaths at one point. I don't want to see Australia go down that route. Do you?

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I'm sure this must have been linked to previously, but someone has done a tremendous job at visualising the statistics for the virus:
https://informationisbeautiful.net/v...phic-datapack/
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COVID-19 TEST:

A new and easy test for Covid-19 is doing the rounds and it's simple, quick and positive (or negative if you see what I mean).Take a glass and pour a decent dram of your favourite whisky (gin or rum) into it; then see if you can smell it, if you can then you are halfway there; then drink it and if you can taste it then it is reasonable to assume you are currently free of the virus.

I tested myself 12 times last night and was virus free every time thank goodness. I will have to test myself again today though, as I have developed a headache which can also be one of the symptoms.
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Well, well, well. No update for a couple of days on this thread. Is this the demise of Covid as the most terrifying virus to stalk the earth? Or people just distracted by the science of kitchen utensils and the drama of their own self importance to this forum?

Meantime, net excess deaths in the UK for <50's is zero for Q2.
Also, < 2% deaths currently attributed to Covid.

I think we will see an uptick in infections, due to more testing, generally, and the mass migration of holiday makers.
On the plus side, it's probably slowed down the spread of STDs.
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I donít see the logic of more testing = more cases. If you quarantine positive cases, then arenít you preventing spread to even more people? On balance, youíre preventing more cases. In the short term, sure, more cases, but over time, fewer.
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Well, well, well. No update for a couple of days on this thread. Is this the demise of Covid as the most terrifying virus to stalk the earth? Or people just distracted by the science of kitchen utensils and the drama of their own self importance to this forum?

Meantime, net excess deaths in the UK for <50's is zero for Q2.
Also, < 2% deaths currently attributed to Covid.

I think we will see an uptick in infections, due to more testing, generally, and the mass migration of holiday makers.
On the plus side, it's probably slowed down the spread of STDs.
I think it's slowly stating to dawn on people what a catastrophic mistake the lockdown was. As the furlough schemes wind up, the unemployment rises and the hit worldwide economies have taken becomes more apparent, I think ever more people will regret the foolhardiness with which they accepted the lockdowns. All for a virus with a median death age of 81 and in infection mortality rate of about 0.5%
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I think it's slowly stating to dawn on people what a catastrophic mistake the lockdown was. As the furlough schemes wind up, the unemployment rises and the hit worldwide economies have taken becomes more apparent, I think ever more people will regret the foolhardiness with which they accepted the lockdowns. All for a virus with a median death age of 81 and in infection mortality rate of about 0.5%
Maybe, but youíre just focusing on mortality - the short term impact. The long term impact is the effect of morbidity - cardiac, neurological impacts are coming to light now.

Itís a long read, but interesting. And still, so much is unknown, in part because different metrics are being evaluated by different researchers.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...arm-scientists
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I think it's slowly stating to dawn on people what a catastrophic mistake the lockdown was. As the furlough schemes wind up, the unemployment rises and the hit worldwide economies have taken becomes more apparent, I think ever more people will regret the foolhardiness with which they accepted the lockdowns. All for a virus with a median death age of 81 and in infection mortality rate of about 0.5%
I've listened to several stories and some business owner's actions have been worse than any lockdown.

Employers got too greedy and fired employees the first day of lockdown. Said people with the knowledge to work became freelancers and started to offer their services directly to customers. The customers are discovering that they get a good service at home without paying for a brand or middleman. The services are delivered in person (hair dresser, cooks) or remotely (teachers, counseling). The lockdown ended, but the large business of greedy employers are not coming back...at least not with the same business model before the lockdown.

Not bad at all unless you miss the establishment.
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Maybe, but youíre just focusing on mortality - the short term impact. The long term impact is the effect of morbidity - cardiac, neurological impacts are coming to light now.

Itís a long read, but interesting. And still, so much is unknown, in part because different metrics are being evaluated by different researchers.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...arm-scientists
Mortality is easy to focus on as it's easily measurable, we don't after all focus on the long term effects of Cancer survival. Even when one looks at other impacts of Covid early studies suggest that they're minimal compared to the infection rate. One still wouldn't want to be infected with Covid, but the overreaction in managing it is excruciating to witness.

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I've listened to several stories and some business owner's actions have been worse than any lockdown.

Employers got too greedy and fired employees the first day of lockdown. Said people with the knowledge to work became freelancers and started to offer their services directly to customers. The customers are discovering that they get a good service at home without paying for a brand or middleman. The services are delivered in person (hair dresser, cooks) or remotely (teachers, counseling). The lockdown ended, but the large business of greedy employers are not coming back...at least not with the same business model before the lockdown.

Not bad at all unless you miss the establishment.
Off the top of my head:

15000 jobs going at Renault
15000 jobs going at Airbus
5000 jobs going at Swissport
4000 jobs going at MAN
22000 jobs going at Lufthansa
1500 jobs going at MTU
2000 jobs going at Schindler
10000 jobs going at BP
500 jobs going at SR Technics

And this is just the tip of the iceberg! We're heading for double digit unemployment across much of the world! Try delivering an Airbus or a Car directly in person the "establishment" of having a job and getting paid for it is a good thing!
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Old 06.08.2020, 13:32
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I think it's slowly stating to dawn on people what a catastrophic mistake the lockdown was. As the furlough schemes wind up, the unemployment rises and the hit worldwide economies have taken becomes more apparent, I think ever more people will regret the foolhardiness with which they accepted the lockdowns. All for a virus with a median death age of 81 and in infection mortality rate of about 0.5%
Jup as mentioned a couple of pages ago, it's time to just acknowledge the vast overreaction and stop with this insanity and randomness of completely made-up new "measures" that are grounded in nothing. It's beyond shameful, and concerning on a whole different level.

Mortality below 70 years of age and no preconditions is damn near close to zero. Decision-making in all this has been and continues to be disastrous, a collective failure to seek dialogue and sustainable approaches, and the repercussions are already of unprecedented scale and, as you say, at this point are merely the tip of the iceberg. I have shown some (admittedly always limited) understanding for initial panic in reaction to something unknown, even if I never understood the extent of it; but at this stage, the last bit of tolerance has gone out the window. And I'm horrified how this is allowed to go on the way it does, how no one is being held responsible, how information is so clearly skewed, how data is chronically manipulated, how no dialogue is sought, how no collaboration is created, how no one has the backbone to finally push back, how apathetic the world has become to literally not give a damn about being coerced into compliance for something that is of no threat to them. There is something SO much bigger going on here and something her is completely off, but I'm sure I'm just wearing the tin-foil conspiracy hat. Somehow all other actual issues seem to no longer exist, plastic pollution and climate change - who cares, China's behavior in Asia - who gives a crap, drowning refugees, civil wars, nuclear weapons, erratic dictators, large-scale violence, isolationism, increased nationalism - all of it vanished into nothingness.

Here's an extremely long but well researched article, German only. https://medium.com/@societas/in-dubi...e-915e66f1d461 Those who still believe everything in this topic is totally kosher and how it's totally about health are free to skip this one.
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Mortality is easy to focus on as it's easily measurable, we don't after all focus on the long term effects of Cancer survival. Even when one looks at other impacts of Covid early studies suggest that they're minimal compared to the infection rate. One still wouldn't want to be infected with Covid, but the overreaction in managing it is excruciating to witness.
We do indeed focus on the long term effects of cancer treatment and survival. Iíve been treated for cancer. Survivorship, as they call it is an important issue, and an important part of my ongoing care.

Moreover, the early covid studies are showing there wasnít enough study.

Perhaps excruciating to you, but for people trying to get back to work a real issue.
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Re: Coronavirus

No one wants another lockdown, absolutely no one.

But what will it take to get Herr and Frau Schweizer to follow the simple, mild measures needed to help prevent one?

How can we get people to maintain distance, wear a mask when necessary, wash/disinfect hands before entering a public place, etc? None of these are intrusive measures, and they allow us to continue with (almost) normal life - yet the majority refuse. Recommendations don't seem to work. We have seen that few are willing to change behaviour, even in simple ways, without a mandate. Which is a pretty sad commentary on our mythical community solidarity.

It's almost as if people believe our choices are limited to either lockdown or free-for-all... when what we need is the milder, middle way.

I agree that the government response has been pretty poor.

(But at least Switzerland has a functioning government, unlike the horror show at home...)

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As said, no one wants another lockdown. Economic consequences of the first are dire and looking to get worse, even wealthy Switzerland will feel the pain.

So why not do the simple things we can to help prevent that disaster? Disinfect your hands, keep distance, wear a mask when you can't.


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I bristle at people still denying the severity of this disease. Perhaps because I have lost friends, I have friends who were sick and now face ongoing challenges - and because a family member is on the front lines nursing in a COVID ICU unit. I wish all who are making light of this disease could spend a day with my niece.
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