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Old 28.02.2020, 23:43
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If you're wondering what to stock up on, the Swiss Government has been editing a brochure since the 60s on this: https://www.bwl.admin.ch/bwl/en/home/themen/notvorrat.html
Cute... They include chocolate in their list of food necessities.

"Zum Beispiel Reis, Teigwaren, Öl, Fertiggerichte, Salz,
Zucker, Kaffee, Tee, Dörrfrüchte, Müesli, Zwieback,
Schokolade, UHT-Milch, Hartkäse, Trockenfleisch,
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Old 29.02.2020, 00:17
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Cute... They include chocolate in their list of food necessities.

"Zum Beispiel Reis, Teigwaren, Öl, Fertiggerichte, Salz,
Zucker, Kaffee, Tee, Dörrfrüchte, Müesli, Zwieback,
Schokolade, UHT-Milch, Hartkäse, Trockenfleisch,
Konserven"
Chocolate keeps your blood-sugar up as well as keeping you happy.

Lidl had Cailler crémant, the only chocolate I actually eat regularly, on "Aktion" last week, so I bought 2 packs (2,6 kg ) which were meant to last me for months and months. Same day I got two litres of whiskey and a bottle of rum, as well as 2 kg of coffee ..... all just because I had run out. So I'm fine.

However, I still don't understand the hype. But it all might serve well as a emergency drill in case of war. After all, most of us have never experienced a war.
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Old 29.02.2020, 00:22
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...I've noticed in our local supermarkets since about Monday, they're all wearing disposable gloves. I pay by card... contactless payment.
Unfortunately another thing that doesn't really help prevent the spread of infection in such a space. How many food workers have you seen handle food with gloves, then handle money, then handle food again? Many of us are wearing fabric gloves right now because it's cold. Those aren't going to stop the virus either.

Little article here: https://www.flushinghospital.org/new...-get-you-sick/

And someone up-thread mentioned phones. We're being told to sanitize our hands regularly. How about our phones, desks, elevator buttons, water fountain buttons, etc.? What's the rule if someone in your building gets Covid-19 and there's a shared washing machine?
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Old 29.02.2020, 00:46
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Unfortunately another thing that doesn't really help prevent the spread of infection in such a space. How many food workers have you seen handle food with gloves, then handle money, then handle food again? Many of us are wearing fabric gloves right now because it's cold. Those aren't going to stop the virus either.

Little article here: https://www.flushinghospital.org/new...-get-you-sick/

And someone up-thread mentioned phones. We're being told to sanitize our hands regularly. How about our phones, desks, elevator buttons, water fountain buttons, etc.? What's the rule if someone in your building gets Covid-19 and there's a shared washing machine?
This.

Ha! I used to clean my phone in the office every time somebody dared to use it. Yep, I was regarded a weirdo (did not stop me, did you ever look at a phone after some people used it? ). A thing I'd get away with uncommented now.
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Old 29.02.2020, 01:52
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The way I see it... I'd rather be safe than sorry. I think my husband doesn't have a very realistic understanding of what's been happening with the virus and what could potentially happen because of it.
Agreed. This evening, my local store had sold out of large packs of toilet rolls and kitchen rolls, all Dettol products, there was a lot less milk than usual, gaps in the tinned goods section and only two sachets of hand soap refill left. Everything else was normal, but you really noticed the gaps.
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Those people are escaping war, and there is absolutely no evidence that they've contracted coronavirus.
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China Health care has collapsed? What nonsense..
I'm inclined to believe that whichever country is the first to experience a new virus, is also likely to become the worst hit by it initially. The first cases will have presented as flu and been treated as such. It will only be when treatment failed to work, more cases presented and lab tests began to come back, that they would have realised they were up against a totally new entity.
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Cute... They include chocolate in their list of food necessities.
Dark chocolate particularly, is an excellent source of iron and antioxidants. Better still, it doesn't require cooking and disolves at body temperature. My college tutor always made sure we had a supply of dark chocolate and Kendal Mint Cake for our mountain hikes.
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How many food workers have you seen handle food with gloves, then handle money, then handle food again?...

...What's the rule if someone in your building gets Covid-19 and there's a shared washing machine?
Money is filthy, so contactless is the way to go, but we still have to use touch sceen self service checkouts.

I asked the shared washing machines question a few days ago and can only think we'll need to clean the machines before we touch them and wash at 60+ degrees as much as possible.
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Old 29.02.2020, 03:35
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US reports first drug shortage tied to virus outbreak

https://apnews.com/


doesn't indicate which drugs which is not that helpful? however good to be aware and prepared esp for those who rely on certain important prescriptions.
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Re: Coronavirus

I will definitely be avoiding public transport as much as I can for a couple of months. I'm not worried about me getting COV but I am worried about catching it and then transmitting it to others.

I imagine that soon that those of us who work for busy offices with busy canteens will soon be doing home office for a while too.
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Old 29.02.2020, 08:33
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I will definitely be avoiding public transport as much as I can for a couple of months. I'm not worried about me getting COV but I am worried about catching it and then transmitting it to others.

I imagine that soon that those of us who work for busy offices with busy canteens will soon be doing home office for a while too.
This is logical. Not sure about us, teachers. Every class is a group gathering, so. Plus federally closing the events of 1000+ people but letting kids and staff come to schools with over 1000 people is logic I don't get. Unies. Ditto for other large site employers. Looks like the events are being cancelled not just because of possible disease spread but because the visitors who get ill are untraceable.

We are ok but we might bring it to people who are defence-less. A number of small kids with serious conditions where I live, elderly on home stretch recovering from stuff, etc.
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I’ve just heard that a Google employee in Zürich apparently has tested positive and been travelling with public transport as well as having been at the Google offices. Can anyone confirm this?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/goog...ronavirus.html

I can't be the only one thinking that the Swiss government could do a better job at providing accurate numbers. Their website also says only 8 people infected, but that was days ago, and on their press release from Thursday they said 15.
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Chocolate keeps your blood-sugar up as well as keeping you happy.

Lidl had Cailler crémant, the only chocolate I actually eat regularly, on "Aktion" last week, so I bought 2 packs (2,6 kg ) which were meant to last me for months and months. Same day I got two litres of whiskey and a bottle of rum, as well as 2 kg of coffee ..... all just because I had run out. So I'm fine.

However, I still don't understand the hype. But it all might serve well as a emergency drill in case of war. After all, most of us have never experienced a war.
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"No, it is not the plague that wiped out up to two thirds of the population in the Middle Ages, depending on the area. Nor is it the Spanish flu, which claimed considerably more victims in 1918/19 than the First World War. The coronavirus is much more harmless. But our society is also much more complex, more interconnected, more vulnerable.

China seemed far away, the images of "dead cities" seemed exotic. But now disease cases are appearing daily, even hourly, in new countries. In Switzerland, the Federal Council has proclaimed the "special situation", events with more than 1000 participants are prohibited. The Basel Morgestraich is cancelled, soccer matches and other mass events are cancelled.

Italy is sealing off entire cities. In Germany, the most famous virologist says: "It will be bad". The virus has been in our heads for a long time. There its name is not Corona, but: Fear. What triggers it?

One. The mortality rate is low, one to two percent. But that's more than for a common flu, and a very high infection rate leads to correspondingly high death rates.

Two, the virus is spreading at a frightening rate. Even if you don't show symptoms, you can still be contagious. The enemy is invisible, which makes it particularly scary.

3. our top medicine is helpless: there is no medicine, no vaccine in the long term. So there is no protection, no cure. The recommendations for the still healthy seem strangely simple: wash your hands carefully, sneeze into the crook of your arm.

4. the defensive barriers do not hold. The path of infection can no longer be traced. The epidemic can no longer be stopped, at most slowed down.

5) A fairly high proportion of the diseases, 15 to 20 percent, are severe and require intensive measures. The expected quantity is likely to overwhelm even a highly developed health system.

6. the authorities are left with only isolation and closure orders. In Chinese and Italian cities, public life is already at a standstill. Switzerland has now taken the first steps towards this.

7. supply chains break down, the economy collapses. Globalisation, which is encouraging the spread of the virus, is creating dependencies that are now taking their revenge.

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A tiny, comparatively harmless pathogen, against which states are obviously powerless, even giving the impression of a loss of control: This leads to a state of anxiety that shows signs of panic at its peak. Hoarders are emptying supermarkets, travellers from "dangerous" countries are being marginalised, mistrust is rampant. A climate of suspicion: wasn't X in Italy the other day? And doesn't Y cough funny? Soon one has to prove his innocence or rather his freedom from viruses. But if you're healthy today, you can catch it tomorrow.

It's not the plague. But the plague is deep in our collective memory, and current developments trigger black fantasies: What if nothing works anymore, if everything collapses?

Literature has gone through this again and again, from Boccaccio's "Decamerone" to Manzoni's "Fiancée" to Camus' "Plague" and Saramago's "City of the Blind". In these books, society breaks apart under the pressure of the epidemic, solidarity and compassion are lost, there is a struggle of all against all.

Our task is not to let fear dictate our behaviour, but to endure the impairments with calm, serenity and decency.

This is not to be feared in the case of the Corona pandemic - and we must speak of such a pandemic now. But the small pathogen is already a kind of maturity test for society. For Switzerland too, a rich, well-organized community that has not experienced war, famine or natural disasters for ages. Its citizens take security and prosperity for granted - and they expect the state, which is otherwise often reviled as bloated or greasy, to continue to guarantee this at a high level.

But there may be guarantees for electrical equipment, but not for an undisturbed life. And the higher the level of security and prosperity, the more we are used to everything running smoothly, the more sensitive we are to disruptions.

The coronavirus can indeed lead to highly sensitive interference with our everyday life, our demands. Our task is not to let fear dictate our behaviour, but to endure the impairments with calm, composure and decency. No matter how long and how severe they are..." Tagesanzeiger

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Is this actually true? I know Erdogan has referenced that Concept in the past, but if he’s now planning to send hoardes of infected to Europe, I will need to greatly expand my planning.
What makes you think they're infected?
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Chocolate constipates!
Constipate or not, just wear a mask on public toilets too, so you don't inhale a present from somebody before you.
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Constipate or not, just wear a mask on public toilets too, so you don't inhale a present from somebody before you.
Very dangerous to spend an hour sitting on a public toilet seat-with or without mask. Especially Zurich toilets.
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Very dangerous to spend an hour sitting on a public toilet seat-with or without mask. Especially Zurich toilets.
You have strange hobbies!
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You have strange hobbies!
Well I never thought going to the toilet as being a hobby. But wearing a mask ( your suggestion ) would be really kinky!
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As much as I get put off by some of your comments sometimes, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your contribution today. It was close to high journalistic quality. Thank you.
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On a practical, purely scientific basis, since many of you discussed making their own anti-bacterial gel..., read this:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/hand-sanitiser-or-hand-washing-which-more-effective-against-coronavirus-covid-19
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I'm going to join in the hysteria and buy 400 advocados, keep them on the window cills.
I don't want to get scurvy.
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. With CV it seems many patients, even the ones recovering, are requiring weeks of care and resources.

Most patients have mild symptoms for about 3 days. Much less than normal flu, akin to a heavy cold.
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