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HCQ is allowed as a COVID_19 treatment in Switzerland, see here.
Maybe you should try it as a prophylactic?
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Old 06.08.2020, 19:45
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I think this is a good example of why we shouldn't prioritize the economy over the spread of the virus:

More than 50 Florida hospitals have run out of ICU beds as coronavirus cases soar

https://www.businessinsider.com/near...20-7?r=US&IR=T

"Florida hospitals are running dangerously low on ICU beds as coronavirus cases continue to tick upward. More than 50 hospitals in Florida have maxed out their intensive care unit capacity, according to the state's Agency for Health Care Administration. Nearly 360,400 people in the Sunshine State have been infected by COVID-19 and more than 5,000 have died, making it the third-hardest-hit state in the United States, according to Johns Hopkins University."

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What a great scaremongering headline. The world must be ending.

Except it isn't.

There is no context of whether these 50 hospitals are local clinics with a few ICU beds or major, regional medical centers. BUT hey, 50 is a number that makes for a f'n great headline!



Like most shit / fake news - one has to read down at the bottom (fine print, so to speak - which EF loves to chastise people for not reading in CH) to get some facts.

"ICU capacity is at 80%. 1112 ICU beds remain open and 14K beds (non ICU) are also available state wide. (this was as of JULY 20 when these scary headlines were blasted out to the world.)

From another source, not all ICU beds are filled with COVID related cases:

"Florida has about 6,202 ICU beds. Based on best available data, we estimate that 63% (3,907) are currently occupied by non-COVID patients. Of the 2,295 ICU beds remaining, we estimate 3,077 are needed by COVID cases, or >100% of available beds. This suggests hospitals cannot absorb a wave of new COVID infections without substantial surge capacity. Aggressive action urgently needed.

https://covidactnow.org/us/fl/?s=824153

SO: this means 6202 - 3907 - 1112 = # of beds filled with C-19 patients.

Thus, in Florida, only 30% of consumed ICU bed capacity is filled with C-19, with another 18% available for additional surge.

And yet another thing to consider: The # of ICU beds are not fixed. There is nothing that says the 14K beds which are also open right now can't be converted to ICU beds. What makes an ICU bed different? (I honestly don't know this, but my guess would be a combination of staffing, monitoring equipment, and life support kit).


Society thrives when there is a vibrant economy. I'm high risk, but I'll take my chances.
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Old 06.08.2020, 19:54
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I just let another 40 of my employees go today, so yeah, I'm a little pissy.

I should of told them it was for the good of the planet. I'm sure they would feel better then.
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What a great scaremongering headline. The world must be ending.

Except it isn't.

There is no context of whether these 50 hospitals are local clinics with a few ICU beds or major, regional medical centers. BUT hey, 50 is a number that makes for a f'n great headline!



Like most shit / fake news - one has to read down at the bottom (fine print, so to speak - which EF loves to chastise people for not reading in CH) to get some facts.

"ICU capacity is at 80%. 1112 ICU beds remain open and 14K beds (non ICU) are also available state wide. (this was as of JULY 20 when these scary headlines were blasted out to the world.)

From another source, not all ICU beds are filled with COVID related cases:

"Florida has about 6,202 ICU beds. Based on best available data, we estimate that 63% (3,907) are currently occupied by non-COVID patients. Of the 2,295 ICU beds remaining, we estimate 3,077 are needed by COVID cases, or >100% of available beds. This suggests hospitals cannot absorb a wave of new COVID infections without substantial surge capacity. Aggressive action urgently needed.

https://covidactnow.org/us/fl/?s=824153

SO: this means 6202 - 3907 - 1112 = # of beds filled with C-19 patients.

Thus, in Florida, only 30% of consumed ICU bed capacity is filled with C-19, with another 18% available for additional surge.

And yet another thing to consider: The # of ICU beds are not fixed. There is nothing that says the 14K beds which are also open right now can't be converted to ICU beds. What makes an ICU bed different? (I honestly don't know this, but my guess would be a combination of staffing, monitoring equipment, and life support kit).


Society thrives when there is a vibrant economy. I'm high risk, but I'll take my chances.
Not arguing with your calculations, but the COVID-19 numbers have gone up more than 50% since the article quoted (July 20, you said? So, two and a half weeks ago). Assuming the same distribution of severity of cases, that's another 600 or so COVID-19 ICU cases. That's dangerously close to full capacity already, and the wave of cases shows no sign of slacking off.

Yes, there may be thousands of other beds available, but as you correctly surmise, it takes specialized staff and instruments, let alone appropriate space in the hospital (isolated from other patients and staff, for example), to turn them into ICU beds. I doubt that suitably qualified doctors and nurses who don't currently work in intensive care are available at short notice.
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Old 06.08.2020, 20:08
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And yet another thing to consider: The # of ICU beds are not fixed. There is nothing that says the 14K beds which are also open right now can't be converted to ICU beds. What makes an ICU bed different? (I honestly don't know this, but my guess would be a combination of staffing, monitoring equipment, and life support kit).


Society thrives when there is a vibrant economy. I'm high risk, but I'll take my chances.
There is no hard and fast definition, and in fact, this article suggests that “less may be more”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7183391/

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‘In this time of unimaginable ICU strain, the COVID-19 pandemic provides a glimpse into what is truly essential about intensive care. ICU beds remain incredibly important, but mainly due to their ability to provide immediate, lifesaving care—through clinicians trained in critical care and equipment, such as mechanical ventilators. These challenging times highlight that the traditional concept of a geographically isolated ICU may be less important than strategies to target resources to critically ill patients, wherever critical illness occurs. This concept of an “ICU without walls” is not new [2], but it seeks to maximize opportunities to treat critically ill patients through ICU-convertible beds, flexible allocation of lifesaving resources, and expansion of the critical care specialty outside of the ICU and throughout the hospital.“


At the same time, access to ventilators and rooms with specific types of airflow are required for some patients, so there’s that. And medical folk in the USA, at least are risk averse due to threat of litigation.


So yeah. At the same time, I don’t think the US had a vibrant economy going into Covid....i hope something can be done coming out.
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Old 06.08.2020, 20:29
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What a great scaremongering headline. The world must be ending.

Except it isn't.

There is no context of whether these 50 hospitals are local clinics with a few ICU beds or major, regional medical centers. BUT hey, 50 is a number that makes for a f'n great headline!
I don't think it's scare-mongering so much as it simply stating the fact that 50 hospitals in Florida have run out of ICU beds (and that was a few weeks ago).

But if you want to interpret it as scare-mongering, well... That is your perception. But please don't misinterpret facts for scare-mongering.

So no, the world isn't ending. But the fact is, the # of cases and deaths in Florida have been dramatically increasing, and there are no signs of it getting much better anytime soon.

And of course, Florida is just one example.

Number of ICU hospital beds in Texas drops below 10%

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/he...4-781ad48ac53e

Less Than 150 ICU Beds Left in All of Arizona As Coronavirus Cases Spike

https://www.newsweek.com/less-150-ic...-spike-1516365
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Old 06.08.2020, 21:56
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Where to get good cotton masks?
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Old 06.08.2020, 22:33
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Not arguing with your calculations, but the COVID-19 numbers have gone up more than 50% since the article quoted (July 20, you said? So, two and a half weeks ago). Assuming the same distribution of severity of cases, that's another 600 or so COVID-19 ICU cases. That's dangerously close to full capacity already, and the wave of cases shows no sign of slacking off.

Yes, there may be thousands of other beds available, but as you correctly surmise, it takes specialized staff and instruments, let alone appropriate space in the hospital (isolated from other patients and staff, for example), to turn them into ICU beds. I doubt that suitably qualified doctors and nurses who don't currently work in intensive care are available at short notice.
I understand there are now 5 mutations, the mutations are less dangerous, so we can expect less hospitalisations & deaths as a percentage going forward.
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I saw some for sale at MÜLLER Reformhaus and have also seen a few ads for them being sold online here. I have no idea how well they hold up up in the wash, etc., but I'll put a few links here for sets of white or black cotton masks:

https://www.aboutyou.ch/p/about-you/...k-lexa-4770330

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I understand there are now 5 mutations, the mutations are less dangerous, so we can expect less hospitalisations & deaths as a percentage going forward.
I’d be interested in your source for this. The stuff i read suggests there’s just not a lot known, and they’re working on understanding the impact of these mutations. But also the virus has not mutated as much as expected.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...more-dangerous
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In any case, are you not aware that in Florida -- now with more than half a million cases of COVID-19 (yay! 2nd place in the US, go Florida!) -- the median age of people testing positive to coronavirus is 40? 40. Not 90. And the largest ten-year age band of SARS-COV-2-positive people is the 25-34 age group, with 100,000 in that group alone. Not exactly retirement age.
So? Getting/having a virus and getting sick from it are not the same thing. Want to test for good old influenza virus and norovirus, how many do you think you’d find who have it at some point? Probably a billion or so a year. It means exactly nothing.

Literally no one ever said young people wouldn’t get it. Of course they will and do. Probably a crapload more than have even been tested. But that’s literally all it says - you carry a virus. We all do, many of them. So what. It doesn’t mean we get sick, and most certainly doesn’t mean we get severely sick. That’s what the immune system is for - to fend off viruses, it’s really quite clever that thing. And that is why - I’m sure you guessed it - this virus is of some risk for immunocompromised folks, which mind you holds true for many other things as well.

For no freaking disease in the history of modern mankind has the world ever shut down. Not even for HIV back when it was unclear what the hell it was or how it spread.

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I heard Brexit for 4 years...kind of traumatic, nothing else happened in meantime in all World... now, this Coronavirus cascade of how people with a predisposition to die is dying...how long this will hold, as people for who I was working now are asking me if I a have to offer them a job...my CEO asking me if I will accept a salary reduction...I replied I am working already for 4 people he sacked...If he will press I will quit the job and will start hunting dears from my cabin in Wallis...Hopefully, at least Americans will be enough smart and not elect the Dumb...
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So? Getting/having a virus and getting sick from it are not the same thing. Want to test for good old influenza virus and norovirus, how many do you think you’d find who have it at some point? Probably a billion or so a year. It means exactly nothing.

Literally no one ever said young people wouldn’t get it. Of course they will and do. Probably a crapload more than have even been tested. But that’s literally all it says - you carry a virus. We all do, many of them. So what. It doesn’t mean we get sick, and most certainly doesn’t mean we get severely sick. That’s what the immune system is for - to fend off viruses, it’s really quite clever that thing. And that is why - I’m sure you guessed it - this virus is of some risk for immunocompromised folks, which mind you holds true for many other things as well.

For no freaking disease in the history of modern mankind has the world ever shut down. Not even for HIV back when it was unclear what the hell it was or how it spread.
Wrong!
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims.

Citizens were ordered to wear masks, schools, theaters and businesses were shuttered and bodies piled up in makeshift morgues before the virus ended its deadly global march.

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Records show that US cities who enforced strict lockdowns had much lower death rates.
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Any of Chlor based medication is increasing acidity(HCl) in the stomach and as a result: short breathless from reflux and pain in the chest and back...that is exactly the symptoms that are mistaking with the virus...in the early days' of pandemic everybody was taking lot of aspirin based medication, that was increasing a lot acidity in the stomach and as result, reflux...
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Literally no one ever said young people wouldn’t get it. Of course they will and do. Probably a crapload more than have even been tested. But that’s literally all it says - you carry a virus. We all do, many of them. So what. It doesn’t mean we get sick, and most certainly doesn’t mean we get severely sick.
Sure, millions of us carry viruses. And, by the way, we pass those viruses on to others, including some who are immunocompromised and could die from these otherwise apparently harmless viruses. That's why we had the lockdowns. I don't really see what's so hard to understand about that.

But anyway, in Florida (as we were talking about Florida), 18% of COVID-19 deaths have been in people aged under 65, i.e. of working, productive, tax-paying age. That's quite a high number. Yes, most of these had pre-existing conditions such as asthma, but since when did having asthma mean you had to die earlier than expected -- like 50 or 60 years earlier?

I think you should pause for thought before glibly dismissing younger people with viral infections as "just carriers". For those with underlying conditions, coronavirus is a significant risk.

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Never in the history of modern mankind?

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Any of Chlor based medication is increasing acidity(HCl) in the stomach and as a result: short breathless from reflux and pain in the chest and back...that is exactly the symptoms that are mistaking with the virus...in the early days' of pandemic everybody was taking lot of aspirin based medication, that was increasing a lot acidity in the stomach and as result, reflux...
Are you seriously saying that people are mistaking reflux for coronavirus?

Unbelievable!
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Any of Chlor based medication is increasing acidity(HCl) in the stomach and as a result: short breathless from reflux and pain in the chest and back...that is exactly the symptoms that are mistaking with the virus...in the early days' of pandemic everybody was taking lot of aspirin based medication, that was increasing a lot acidity in the stomach and as result, reflux...
On a historical note, many Spanish flu (SF) patients were treated with very high doses of aspirin. We now know such high doses are dangerous and some people believe many SF victims died from aspirin overdoses not from the virus.
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