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Old 07.08.2020, 10:29
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Any of Chlor based medication is increasing acidity(HCl) in the stomach and as a result: short breathless from reflux and pain in the chest and back...that is exactly the symptoms that are mistaking with the virus...in the early days' of pandemic everybody was taking lot of aspirin based medication, that was increasing a lot acidity in the stomach and as result, reflux...
Itís unusual to present with fever in the case of reflux, so I doubt that there were many misinterpretations.
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Iím not your friend, cupcake. Letís not insult each other. I can see that your idea of ďevidenceĒ is different from mine, and you consult different sources. I read medical and scientific literature from the source - not filtered through media or politicians.

I was skeptical of masks at first, but studies examining the properties of aerosols changed my mind. The Hcq studies are confounded - in some cases by administration of corticosteroids, in other cases, poor sampling procedures.

Iím willing to update my thinking when new evidence is presented. You?
You take the word "friend" as an insult?! Oh dear, I'll pray for you.

I was the other way, I was one of the first to ensure I had a supply of masks (it's all on this thread in black and white) but now have become more sceptical as to their efficacy having assessed the evidence available by also reading medical and scientific literature. Indeed countries like Norway and Denmark have avoided recommending the use of facemasks due to the lack of evidence supporting their effectiveness.

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I don't think it's scare-mongering so much as it simply stating the fact that 50 hospitals in Florida have run out of ICU beds (and that was a few weeks ago).

But if you want to interpret it as scare-mongering, well... That is your perception. But please don't misinterpret facts for scare-mongering.

So no, the world isn't ending. But the fact is, the # of cases and deaths in Florida have been dramatically increasing, and there are no signs of it getting much better anytime soon.

And of course, Florida is just one example.

Number of ICU hospital beds in Texas drops below 10%

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/he...4-781ad48ac53e

Less Than 150 ICU Beds Left in All of Arizona As Coronavirus Cases Spike

https://www.newsweek.com/less-150-ic...-spike-1516365
All your articles you've posted have scaremongering nonsense. It's terrible reporting like this that has led to a complete overestimation of the threat of Coronavirus. Recent polls taken in the UK and US reportedly had people believing around 10% of their populations had died of the Coronavirus! The poll also showed that the young are the worst at overestimating the risk posed to them by Coronavirus.

To add balance to what you've posted, all the emergency so called "Nightingale" emergency ICU field hospitals are currently being dismantled in the UK, one of the worst hit countries in the world. 6 out of 7 never saw a single patient.
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To add balance to what you've posted, all the emergency so called "Nightingale" emergency ICU field hospitals are currently being dismantled in the UK, one of the worst hit countries in the world. 6 out of 7 never saw a single patient.
This is great news right?
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So? Getting/having a virus and getting sick from it are not the same thing. Want to test for good old influenza virus and norovirus, how many do you think youíd find who have it at some point? Probably a billion or so a year. It means exactly nothing.

Literally no one ever said young people wouldnít get it. Of course they will and do. Probably a crapload more than have even been tested. But thatís literally all it says - you carry a virus. We all do, many of them. So what. It doesnít mean we get sick, and most certainly doesnít mean we get severely sick. Thatís what the immune system is for - to fend off viruses, itís really quite clever that thing. And that is why - Iím sure you guessed it - this virus is of some risk for immunocompromised folks, which mind you holds true for many other things as well.

For no freaking disease in the history of modern mankind has the world ever shut down. Not even for HIV back when it was unclear what the hell it was or how it spread.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52470838

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"Young children are not infected and do not transmit the virus," he said. "They just don't have the receptors to catch the disease."
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This is great news right?
Sure! And one of the very few things the UK government should be commended for in being able to get these hospitals up and running in such a short space of time in spite of them not being needed.
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Old 07.08.2020, 12:32
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Sure! And one of the very few things the UK government should be commended for in being able to get these hospitals up and running in such a short space of time in spite of them not being needed.
But you understand that it's a good thing that they weren't needed?
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Well, I guess some people care more about the elderly than others.

"How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity."

While the elderly as well as people with diabetes, etc. are the most vulnerable, there are many younger people who have been dying and/or requiring hospitalization from it as well.

Covid-19 causes sudden strokes in young adults, doctors say

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/h...lts/index.html

Coronavirus linked to stroke in otherwise healthy young people

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0604095600.htm

Think youíre too young to be hospitalized by coronavirus? This chart shows why youíre wrong

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...ovid-19-chart/
any viral infection can cause blood clots
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Old 07.08.2020, 12:37
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Re: Coronavirus

I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.
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Old 07.08.2020, 12:44
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.

What are you actually trying to tell us? That the respective governments reacted badly ? Who could have known what course would be the best?


Always easy to compare in hindsight.....
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.
No new deaths in Scotland for 21 days in Scotland for people with a positive coronavirus test and we had a strict lockdown.
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Old 07.08.2020, 12:56
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No new deaths in Scotland for 21 days in Scotland for people with a positive coronavirus test and we had a strict lockdown.
Scotland has had one of the worst excess death rates in the world, higher than Sweden. Strict lockdown didn't work there in saving lives.
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That the respective governments reacted badly ?
Yes! Reacting badly is one thing, and understandable, continuing to react badly in the face of evidence is inexcusable.
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Yes! Reacting badly is one thing, and understandable, continuing to react badly in the face of evidence is inexcusable.

What evidence? Your interpretation?


You will never know for sure how it would have been if certain measures had not been taken so that is just speculation.
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Scotland has had one of the worst excess death rates in the world, higher than Sweden. Strict lockdown didn't work there in saving lives.
Apologies, I thought we were just looking at deaths per day; not whatever stat suits your agenda at that given moment in time.

Sweden has a higher percentage increase in excess deaths that Brazil in that case.
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.
Whatever you might think it is still far too early to be looking at specific countries and making comparisons.

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Apologies, I thought we were just looking at deaths per day; not whatever stat suits your agenda at that given moment in time.

Sweden has a higher percentage increase in excess deaths that Brazil in that case.
Must also remember that the average life expectancy in the West of Scotland is only about 23 too, so these people were probably going to cark it soon anyway.
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This is getting fun. I returned from high-risk country from vacation and currently doing 10 day quarantine at home in Aargau. Switzerland will also ask people traveling from mainland Spain to quarantine for 10 days https://www.thelocal.ch/20200805/swi...-of-saturdayIn the meantime, Switzerland became a high-risk country and Norway is asking people traveling from here to here to also do 10 day quarantine. https://www.thelocal.ch/20200806/nor...swiss-arrivals

What will be the new equilibrium until the pandemic ends? 10 day quarantine anywhere you go or back to full travel bans as a couple months ago?
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Old 07.08.2020, 15:04
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You take the word "friend" as an insult?! Oh dear, I'll pray for you.

I was the other way, I was one of the first to ensure I had a supply of masks (it's all on this thread in black and white) but now have become more sceptical as to their efficacy having assessed the evidence available by also reading medical and scientific literature. Indeed countries like Norway and Denmark have avoided recommending the use of facemasks due to the lack of evidence supporting their effectiveness.



All your articles you've posted have scaremongering nonsense. It's terrible reporting like this that has led to a complete overestimation of the threat of Coronavirus. Recent polls taken in the UK and US reportedly had people believing around 10% of their populations had died of the Coronavirus! The poll also showed that the young are the worst at overestimating the risk posed to them by Coronavirus.

To add balance to what you've posted, all the emergency so called "Nightingale" emergency ICU field hospitals are currently being dismantled in the UK, one of the worst hit countries in the world. 6 out of 7 never saw a single patient.
Most of my links are from reputable scientific/medical sources.

My two sources were science and a peer reviewed journal.

If that’s scaremongering, the please pray for yourself.

I will agree that people are very bad at estimating risk.

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An Island of dummpkofs...

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-53690437

Darwin was right, really... this is natural selection in action.
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Just read about this poll on The Local. Around 10% of poll respondents answered Yes to "have you been abused for wearing or not wearing a mask?". https://www.thelocal.ch/20200807/swi...tpcc=ch-latest

I've never been abused on my 7 years in CH. Could it be just cultural differences? People talk in a straightforward way around here that some people around the world may take it as abuse or did covid19 changed something?
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