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Re: Coronavirus

Lockdown is to prevent the spread dude. Got family in Bury and it's a pain in the arse but death is pretty final.
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What are you being prevented from doing in Switzerland at the present time which restricts your freedom, education, business and leisure?

Here in Switzerland not too much but really depending on the type of business you are in.


However, for example, people in India are in a strict lock down since 4 months. That's a whole different story.
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Lockdown is to prevent the spread dude. Got family in Bury and it's a pain in the arse but death is pretty final.
I misread that very badly. I thought you said "Got a family to Bury".
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I misread that very badly. I thought you said "Got a family to Bury".
Dude.
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To be pedantic, 8B pop, 20.5 million confirmed cases, 750k deaths.


It's pure guess work of the true figures for infected and death by Covid.
looks like usual year for rotavirus
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Old 12.08.2020, 16:11
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Re: Coronavirus

Two articles from Sweden's emergency doctor:
How bad is covid really? (A Swedish doctor’s perspective)
What is the best way to measure rates of covid immunity?
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Old 12.08.2020, 16:20
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Re: Coronavirus

You posted a link with the title "What is the best way to measure rates of covid immunity?"
When I read the linked article I find "As yet, no proper studies have been performed, to my knowledge, showing that antibodies give immunity to covid, and no studies have been done showing that T-cells give immunity to covid either for that matter."
So the article title is just a teaser when nobody knows what gives immunity to covid
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You posted a link with the title "What is the best way to measure rates of covid immunity?"
When I read the linked article I find "As yet, no proper studies have been performed, to my knowledge, showing that antibodies give immunity to covid, and no studies have been done showing that T-cells give immunity to covid either for that matter."
So the article title is just a teaser when nobody knows what gives immunity to covid
no proper studies != no studies
as the doctor said, 200 persons study is not proper but is one study more than nothing. and even that "not proper study" shows interesting results, which you prefer to ignore
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Old 12.08.2020, 17:12
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Things are still to get worse too, just wait until furlough ends and people realise they don't have jobs to go back to
750,000 people in the UK have already lost their jobs due to the economic impact of covid. Many of my friends and former colleagues work/worked in travel. They've known for a while that their jobs are at risk, and the number of them being made redundant is growing day by day. One has already retrained as a driving test examiner and passed her exam a couple of weeks ago.

A couple of cautionary tales regarding opening up after lockdown...
My OH's cousin owned a leather goods factory. He gathered his family together before lockdown as his home was large enough to accommodate both his sons, their wives and grandchild. Six weeks into lockdown, he decided to adapt the factory to manufacture medical scrubs, PPE and masks. That's how he contracted the virus and infected all his family except for his grandchild. He passed from covid on June 27th aged 61.

His sister owns a successful restaurant. She decided to go back into work during lockdown and adapt the premises to a take away only service whilst also adapting the seating areas in readiness for the end of lockdown. She was admitted to hospital with covid 4 weeks ago and is, thankfully, recovering but is still hospitalised. She's 58.

A family friend's daughter, a 35yr old NHS nurse, was hospitalised with covid in mid April. She was finally brought round from an induced coma 2 weeks ago and they had to break the news to her that her mum had passed with the virus on 30 April. Her mum was the clinical manager of a nursing home in my home town. On 1 May, all the staff and residents of the home were tested. Nine residents tested positive, of which eight were asymptomatic and one symptomatic, and eight staff tested positive.

Keep screaming about the economy all you like. Without business owners, staff, supplier partners, clients and customers, there is no economy. Without customer and employee confidence surrounding covid safety measures, the economy will not bounce back. Covid safety has to be first and foremost in any economic move, because it's the only way forward for the time being. Learn the lessons. Build on them.
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Old 12.08.2020, 17:41
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I don't mean to speak for others, but I can't go partner dancing at the moment. First world problems.
Are you sure? I thought that pretty well everything in that direction was allowed since end June? Was certainly the case for Squash which involves pretty close physical contact....
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750,000 people in the UK have already lost their jobs due to the economic impact of covid.

Economic impact of lockdown you mean?
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Old 12.08.2020, 17:44
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Are you sure? I thought that pretty well everything in that direction was allowed since end June? Was certainly the case for Squash which involves pretty close physical contact....
And for combat sports, too. So dancing probably too?
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Old 12.08.2020, 17:45
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750,000 people in the UK have already lost their jobs due to the economic impact of covid. Many of my friends and former colleagues work/worked in travel. They've known for a while that their jobs are at risk, and the number of them being made redundant is growing day by day. One has already retrained as a driving test examiner and passed her exam a couple of weeks ago.

A couple of cautionary tales regarding opening up after lockdown...
My OH's cousin owned a leather goods factory. He gathered his family together before lockdown as his home was large enough to accommodate both his sons, their wives and grandchild. Six weeks into lockdown, he decided to adapt the factory to manufacture medical scrubs, PPE and masks. That's how he contracted the virus and infected all his family except for his grandchild. He passed from covid on June 27th aged 61.

His sister owns a successful restaurant. She decided to go back into work during lockdown and adapt the premises to a take away only service whilst also adapting the seating areas in readiness for the end of lockdown. She was admitted to hospital with covid 4 weeks ago and is, thankfully, recovering but is still hospitalised. She's 58.

A family friend's daughter, a 35yr old NHS nurse, was hospitalised with covid in mid April. She was finally brought round from an induced coma 2 weeks ago and they had to break the news to her that her mum had passed with the virus on 30 April. Her mum was the clinical manager of a nursing home in my home town. On 1 May, all the staff and residents of the home were tested. Nine residents tested positive, of which eight were asymptomatic and one symptomatic, and eight staff tested positive.

Keep screaming about the economy all you like. Without business owners, staff, supplier partners, clients and customers, there is no economy. Without customer and employee confidence surrounding covid safety measures, the economy will not bounce back. Covid safety has to be first and foremost in any economic move, because it's the only way forward for the time being. Learn the lessons. Build on them.
Everything you mentioned just proves lock down doesn't help, it creates even more chaos.

Many people like you are under illusion that lockdown can save lives or make the situation better. It won't and it can't. Lock down prolongs the inevitable creating a 10x more damage along the way when compared to the virus
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Old 12.08.2020, 17:56
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Economic impact of lockdown you mean?
I guess you didn't bother to read the last paragraph which is the critical one and is a point I have tried to make on here before. If there is anything to be learnt from Sweden compared to its 3 Nordic neighbours that all did a lockdown, it's that if the infection rates are sufficiently high there will be a heavy economic impact whether you lockdown or not.

If consumers are not confident in their environment they will stop buying. Exactly what you asee in Sweden. So no difference there to Norway, Finland or Denmark except many more people in Sweden have died.

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Keep screaming about the economy all you like. Without business owners, staff, supplier partners, clients and customers, there is no economy. Without customer and employee confidence surrounding covid safety measures, the economy will not bounce back. Covid safety has to be first and foremost in any economic move, because it's the only way forward for the time being. Learn the lessons. Build on them.
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Old 12.08.2020, 17:59
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750,000 people in the UK have already lost their jobs due to the economic impact of covid. Many of my friends and former colleagues work/worked in travel. They've known for a while that their jobs are at risk, and the number of them being made redundant is growing day by day. One has already retrained as a driving test examiner and passed her exam a couple of weeks ago.

A couple of cautionary tales regarding opening up after lockdown...
My OH's cousin owned a leather goods factory. He gathered his family together before lockdown as his home was large enough to accommodate both his sons, their wives and grandchild. Six weeks into lockdown, he decided to adapt the factory to manufacture medical scrubs, PPE and masks. That's how he contracted the virus and infected all his family except for his grandchild. He passed from covid on June 27th aged 61.

His sister owns a successful restaurant. She decided to go back into work during lockdown and adapt the premises to a take away only service whilst also adapting the seating areas in readiness for the end of lockdown. She was admitted to hospital with covid 4 weeks ago and is, thankfully, recovering but is still hospitalised. She's 58.

A family friend's daughter, a 35yr old NHS nurse, was hospitalised with covid in mid April. She was finally brought round from an induced coma 2 weeks ago and they had to break the news to her that her mum had passed with the virus on 30 April. Her mum was the clinical manager of a nursing home in my home town. On 1 May, all the staff and residents of the home were tested. Nine residents tested positive, of which eight were asymptomatic and one symptomatic, and eight staff tested positive.

Keep screaming about the economy all you like. Without business owners, staff, supplier partners, clients and customers, there is no economy. Without customer and employee confidence surrounding covid safety measures, the economy will not bounce back. Covid safety has to be first and foremost in any economic move, because it's the only way forward for the time being. Learn the lessons. Build on them.
I'm afraid you've made the mistake of believing that economic damage is the only trade off to be made in order to save lives. The UK has literally proven this not to be the case having both the highest European death toll and the biggest economic decline.
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Old 12.08.2020, 18:07
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Economic impact of lockdown you mean?
Clearly you missed this sentence.

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As a real world example, only this week Disney World in the US announced reduced operating hours due to lack of customers despite their reopening.
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I guess you didn't bother to read the last paragraph which blah blah blah

I'm not getting into circular arguments. I just pointed out, that the lockdown caused the job losses, 750k so far and rising by @120k a week (I think).
We'll never know what the impact to jobs would have been otherwise.
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I'm not getting into circular arguments. I just pointed out, that the lockdown caused the job losses, 750k so far and rising by @120k a week (I think).
We'll never know what the impact to jobs would have been otherwise.
You prefer the echo chamber to logical discussion? Your choice.
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Clearly you missed this sentence.

As a real world example, only this week Disney World in the US announced reduced operating hours due to lack of customers despite their reopening.
Well on the off chance that Trump loses the Presidential election this year, they could always offer to put him and his
team in a Disney World, White House to improve visitor numbers.
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You prefer the echo chamber to logical discussion? Your choice.
Yawn.
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