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You prefer the echo chamber to logical discussion? Your choice.
Stupid question. Of course he does.
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Old 12.08.2020, 18:44
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My apologies, can I now call it a rhetorical question?
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Old 12.08.2020, 19:05
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Well on the off chance that Trump loses the Presidential election this year, they could always offer to put him and his
team in a Disney World, White House to improve visitor numbers.
Good idea. In a special mask free area for the COVID deniers.
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Old 12.08.2020, 19:23
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I'm afraid you've made the mistake of believing that economic damage is the only trade off to be made in order to save lives. The UK has literally proven this not to be the case having both the highest European death toll and the biggest economic decline.
...because they went into lockdown too late and not strictly enough. A libertarian cabinet desperately trying to not be authoritatian during a pandemic when a clear, concise, authoritarian response was so desperately needed. If ever there was a recipe for disaster...

The countries that heeded the warnings and acted swiftly are the same countries which have suffered the lowest economic impact. Explain that away!
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The countries that heeded the warnings and acted swiftly are the same countries which have suffered the lowest economic impact. Explain that away!
Sweden has probably had the lowest economic impact, I better get my coat
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Old 12.08.2020, 20:20
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The Federal government just announced further softening of corona restrictions coming into force 1st of October, gatherings of more than 1000 people will be permitted!

Let's hope we have warm October!
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I'm afraid you've made the mistake of believing that economic damage is the only trade off to be made in order to save lives. The UK has literally proven this not to be the case having both the highest European death toll and the biggest economic decline.
The UK locked down in a half-hearted, incomplete way, and far too late in any case, guaranteeing the worst of both worlds (survival of the population and protection of the economy).
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Sweden has probably had the lowest economic impact, I better get my coat
However, it was still the largest GDP quarterly fall for at least 40 years.

And at what cost?
The highest number of confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) cases in the Nordic countries as of August 9, 2020 was in Sweden, where the number amounted to 82,972.
Denmark followed with 14,815 cases, and Norway with 9,638 cases
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Re: Coronavirus

have you noticed more and more people on the tram without masks! it surprised me tbh. i kinda thought there was an understanding at some level, like a social bond, i thought that people would wear masks. im not talking kids either, who are allowed to be silly i would think. but people in their 20s, 30s!

in the uk it seems a bit different, there's a lot of poverty and rejected people and consequent mental problems and honestly the people i see there without masks on the busses and trains i feel in a way it's kind of structural. a lot of people in the uk have a death wish i think and feel that they dont owe anybody anything. but thats the uk! its crazy there at certain levels of society. but in swizterland since i moved here i always thought it was different and there was kind of this social bond which is something that i think there isnt so much of in the uk. probably im overthinking this.
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Old 13.08.2020, 01:06
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'Probably'. Advertising's most famous get out clause.

Sweden's second quarter contraction might be 1-3% less than it's Nordic neighbours, but the true cost has been more covid cases and deaths than all of its Nordic neighbors combined — Finland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland.
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Compulsory Covid 19 innoculation. Seems it could become reality in CH.Your body is no longer yours! Will you say no or yes?
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Old 13.08.2020, 08:44
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Do you really believe if the UK had "just" locked down a week earlier than many more lives would have been saved? In Switzerland we had a far more relaxed lockdown than the UK (whisper it, Switzerland has basically followed Sweden's course of action only with shops, schools, bars and restaurants being shut for 6 weeks at the end of March) yet were much less impacted than the UK has been.

There's a very good (and long) piece in the Atlantic exploring the reasons that Britain failed that I've posted below and the conclusions are far more complicated than simply getting the lockdown wrong.

The economic picture is so bleak because the lockdown has exposed regional inequality and an economy that is (over) reliant on services, the public sector and people living in debt up to their eyeballs. The "only" positive to take from this is that an economy based on services "should" rebound quite quickly. Should.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...andemic/615166
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Compulsory Covid 19 innoculation. Seems it could become reality in CH.Your body is no longer yours! Will you say no or yes?
Vax is mandatory in some ways here for some part of the population already, so that would not be a big media headline. Why do you think that grown ups shouldn't have stuff imposed on them when we do it without a blink of an eye to toddlers? If people don't comply, the restrictions and consequences are different, of course. But there always will be those, though, who want to vax but cannot - and they might have their life even more impacted by non vaxing, on top of CV risks. I doubt that the CV vax will be mandatory.
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Do you really believe if the UK had "just" locked down a week earlier than many more lives would have been saved?
If you had a clue about epidemiology or even basic statistics you wouldn't even need to ask that question.

According to Prof Neil Ferguson about 20,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson
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Re: Coronavirus

Anyways, I was curious about how people support their local businesses now when a lot of them struggle on Covid Kurzarbeit and often worry about bankrupcy somewhere on the near horison

What do you do, locally?

The local farm chain is doing well, it works on subscription and we are happy to boost them a little and eat healthily. Then I just saw the HUG Musik in ZH guys, where we order sheet music and instruments, I love that store chain. They need support of the local community, so if anyone ever thought about getting a quality advice, instruments, partitions or music theory material, Covid downtime provides a great opportunity to hit the notes while supporting them.. I'd hate to see them go, mainly for the local kids who can come and try and pick people's brains on music, ordering online isn't the same as trying a new ukulele, piano or a sax. LS has HUG too, Luzern I think as well.

Who needs help, locally - in your area? Is there a nice log cabin ran by a family business that needs guests? An art school that you like that might close?

I wonder how long can Covid Kurzarbeit tie the businesses over.
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Compulsory Covid 19 innoculation. Seems it could become reality in CH.Your body is no longer yours! Will you say no or yes?
When the actions of your body endanger others it shouldn't be, no. Anti-vax idiots endanger the population in general, compulsion is perfectly appropriate here.
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According to Prof Neil Ferguson about 20,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson
You mean the now totally discredited Professor Neil Ferguson
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You mean the now totally discredited Professor Neil Ferguson
I think you mean disgraced, not discredited. Please try and be a bit more accurate in future.
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If you had a clue about epidemiology or even basic statistics you wouldn't even need to ask that question.

According to Prof Neil Ferguson about 20,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-neil-ferguson

If the UK would have acted like Taiwan, there would have been less than 100 deaths.
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If the UK would have acted like Taiwan, there would have been less than 100 deaths.
Even less if the simply ice-o-lated, just like Antarctica
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